To a great extent, Blizzard has already done this with more raid sized instances such as Karazhan, Gruul’s, etc… by dropping tier loot tokens usable by multiple classes.
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Do the 5 mans really take you 3 hours, or are you throwing a bit of hyperbole out there? They’ve been designed to take 1 hour or less. Currently the only instance that takes the groups I run with any appreciable amount of time is Shadow Labyrinth, at about 1:15. Everything else is an hour or less for us.

The 5 mans should not take 3 hours but 1:15 might not be realistic either. Especially if you consider real world issues such as lag, d/c and time to summon peeps.

I think about 1.5-2 hours is more realistic.

If Blizzard is gonna stick with the bop loot rule (and i imagine they are) then yes loot that drops should be put to use by at least one person in the party.

Or, let us sell it for enough gold that will pay for repair costs.

At least that way your not finishing the instance with no loot and more repair costs which pretty much means you was better off not doing the instance in the first place.

BigD

Fortunately, the gear does make a huge difference. The best advice I can offer is get as many of the blue Shadowmoon Valley quest rewards as possible. There’s a lot of really good ones.

We can run Mana Tombs and Crypts under two hours. Halls also, if we don’t wipe several times on the final boss. Labs, we’ve never beaten the 3rd boss.

Gotta understand, we have one tank and one healer. I estimate we are a month behind where we would’ve been had we not lost four core players. Yes, it was that huge a hit on us; we are still recovering.

You can see my profile on Armory. I am the best geared player my guild has, and my stuff is almost all quest-rewards, nothing incredible at all. We are trying, but are progressing very slowly, running our 60s through the lower 5-man instances and trying to get them geared.

Friends of mine, like Brigin - WooT Brig!! - who were in the old guild on Khaz Modan, have been able to run the good instances and gear up. Those of us who moved got decimated when the two founding members of this guild decided to retire, one taking his priest wife with him, and the DCoE (our only 70 priest) went in the basement to rest and recuperate.

Yes, this is a sore subject with BRK. He is jealous that he hasn’t been in Shattered Halls on Heroic Mode or Kazaran, but he has a family in Legendary. But even more so than for myself, I want us all to get there together.

And we might just do it.

I completely agree with you. Sometimes the drops doesn’t make any sense. But I guess this is just a way for Blizzard to get you to play and come back to do the instance again.

Brigin
- Hi to everyone in Legendary

And of course, what if you WANT shards?

Your idea sounds good at first, but if you look more deeply at it, you start to see problems. Do you REALLY trust Blizzard to implement such a system without jacking it up? I’m a level 70 shaman in-game…so I know better than that.

To a great extent, Blizzard has already done this with more raid sized instances such as Karazhan, Gruul’s, etc… by dropping tier loot tokens usable by multiple classes.

Do the 5 mans really take you 3 hours, or are you throwing a bit of hyperbole out there? They’ve been designed to take 1 hour or less. Currently the only instance that takes the groups I run with any appreciable amount of time is Shadow Labyrinth, at about 1:15. Everything else is an hour or less for us.

I don’t want guaranteed loot. I want a guarantee that if four of my friends and I spend three hours in an instance and beat it, we won’t walk away with a shard.

I’m not arguing that it’s good or bad design mind you… just that it is what it is. I suspect Blizzard is quite happy with it as it stands. If you want guaranteed loot they offer quests and rep rewards.

I went into Botanica with a fellow Hunter (she was marks, I was BM) and before we even got to the first boss we had already started whispering each other, discussing who would get the Beast Lord chest peice if it dropped of the final guy. Right after we made the decision that she would get it, we downed the first boss…boom! Two loot boxes come up and they are both Towering Mantle of the Hunt (nice set of shoulders). Everyone was shocked and wondered how frustrated everyone would have been if just one Hunter was in the group or NONE.

Anyway, just thought I would share that with you.

btw - We downed Warp and he didnt drop the Beast Lord chest…eh, another day.

- Misfit