Now This is Interesting
BRK has received a request for gear and talent analysis from an obviously experienced hunter. Could he be honest in his request for the appraisal, or perhaps rubbing a little salt in the BRK-Has-Missed-Out-On-Alot-Of-Instances open wounds. It’s OK either way; we live with Mrs BRK and have developed thick skin in order to survive. Yeeha!
“I`ve been reading BRK for awhile now and I really like enjoy what you have to say, other then the whole BM spec deal but nobody`s perfect 
“Anywho I was wondering if you could apply your gear looking at skills and point out anything not nice in my gear.
http://armory.worldofwarcraft
Thanks
Cuhaille
PS I know about the lack of scope I just got the bow last night and haven`t made it yet.”
So we take a look and the dude has some nice stuff. We assume he’s focusing on PvP due to his high health and focus on crit. Well, it’s easier to point out the gear where BRK has a slight advantage; it’s shorter.
Um… Ranged Weapon by 2dps
Yup, that’s the list. BRK is built for instance play, so while the gear isn’t the same, it is similar and equally powerful, if not a slight, (or maybe not so slight), edge to Cuhaille.
Now Cuhaille is a 0/41/20 Marksman/Survivalist, while we know BRK is a Beastmaster.
Cuhaille has a RAP of 1646 and BRK’s is 1626.
Cuhaille’s damage per shot is 598-716, BRK’s is 623-750. This is a result of the difference in ranged weapons.
Cuhaille’s crit rate is 5% higher than BRKs, but BRK has a fire rate 16% faster than Cuhaille. Without breaking down the math, we can assume that these kinda-sorta evens out, if not breaks in BRK’s favor due to his crits being, on average, just a little higher.
So who in BRK-Land can tell me why BRK’s DPS is 53.7 higher than Cuhaille’s? Hello? Anyone? Bueller?
Both BRK and Cuhaille are buff-less other than Aspect of the Hawk and this hunter, with overall better gear than BRK, higher RAP, and the “Better Marksman Talent Spec” does 21% less damage. That’s kinda freaky, isn’t it.
Well, to those of us in the Beastmaster tree, it really isn’t, is it. Beastmaster provides the highest dps of all three trees. Argue all you want, but BRK is right and the math backs it up.
Gear
As for the review, Cuhaille’s gear is good. No recommendations for improvements here. He knows his enchants, gear, and gems. Nice work, BRK is slightly jealous.
Talents
In his Marksman tree there are some serious flaws. Let’s enumerate them, shall we?
Combat Experience has got to go. OMG, dump this trash of a talent, now. If you do nothing else BRK recommends, CE stinks.
Efficiency is not BRKs favorite, especially when you have over 6000 mana. If you run through that in a single arena… well, maybe you can, BRK hasn’t done arenas since hitting 70. Dump it anyway. If Cuhaille is gonna PvP, get Improved Concussive Shot; it’s much more useful.
Improved Hunter’s Mark for a Marksman is an odd choice. Go max Improved Arcane Shot and get the full one-second of cooldown removed.
Quickly switching to the Survival tree, dump Improved Feign Death like a steaming pile of… well, yeah. Gone.
Take those points and go Improved Barrage or Concussive Barrage. BRK would prefer IB, but would live with CB for PvP use. If it proc’d at the right time it would basically spell death for your opponent.
If you want to keep sacrificing Ranged Weapon Specialization to put five more points in the Survival tree, go right ahead; no argument.
And back to Survival. Please, BRK begs you, dump Entrapment. If you want to freeze someone, use a Freezing Trap; don’t pray for an Immolation Trap to proc Entrapment. Just a really stupid talent.
Max Improved Wingclip. Warriors loathe it.
BRK would get on bended knee for you to dump Improved Raptor Strike and put three points in Humanoid Slaying.
Take your tenth point in this tree and get 1% more Parry.
You want stamina, take all of Survivalist and the 10% more health.
Take Deterrence; rogues will hate you with a burning passion. If you’ve gone this deep in the Survival tree, you must take it.
Last two points go to Surefooted. If you miss in PvP and let a 1500 Arcane Shot crit get away, you’ll cry.
And we’re done. You are now a 0/43/18 Marksman-Survivalist ready for PvP. Enjoy.
You know, it’s a good thing Armory doesn’t show pets. Who knows how much more dps Hobbes has than Cuhaille’s pet. Almost 54dps more ranged damage and Big Red Kitty?
D@mn.
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Well BRK again you are the elite of Hunter knowledge and if i ever roll a hunter you will be contacted for advice. great post.
Lance
lol well Damh, just think once you start getting all the future instances done you’ll have better gear too.
one thing i did notice was that his agility is kinda low @ 410, i’m only level 61 and have 315 (without any +agility enchs). However, like you said the majority of his gear looks to be focused towards PvP, which I don’t do that often.
Wow..I gotta get that gear for pvp it looks soo good!!!!
Well, I can’t see his spec from work, but I can pretty well guess based on what you said.
I agree with almost everything you said. I have a 0/41/20 spec that I might play with when I hit 70 (only 5 more level now!) -
Marksmanship Talents
Improved Concussive Shot – rank 2/5
Lethal Shots – rank 5/5
Improved Hunter’s Mark – rank 5/5
Go for the Throat – rank 2/2
Aimed Shot – rank 1/1
Rapid Killing – ranks 2/2
Mortal Shots – rank 5/5
Scatter Shot – rank 1/1
Barrage – rank 3/3
Ranged Weapon Specialization – rank 5/5
Trueshot Aura – rank 1/1
Improved Barrage – rank 3/3
Master Marksman- rank 5/5
Silencing Shot – rank 1/1
Survival Talents
Humanoid Slaying – rank 2/3
Hawk Eye – rank 3/3
Entrapment – rank 2/3
Improved Wing Clip – rank 3/3
Survivalist – rank 5/5
Deterrence – rank 1/1
Trap Mastery – rank 2/2
Surefooted – rank 2/3
As far as my recommendations deviate from yours, I like the Improved Hunter’s Mark (even on MM) because it will also help out party members. I always use my HM in PvE and nearly always use it in PvP… it’s for my melee brothers. I could definitely see going 5/5 Improved Concussive and 2/5 Improved HM, though. I’ll support either.
As for entrapment, I do understand your hate for it. I didn’t really want it until I found out that every tick has a chance to entrap. I always use a freeze trap when I want them to be frozen, but I use a frost trap when kiting and when helping out flag carriers in WSG. In these cases, the extra chance to entrap could make a big difference, and I like that better than +2% chance to parry.
Entrapment is almost a necessity in PvP. Seriously, if you PvP against a hunter with this talent you’ll see what I mean.
Also, if you go Marksman you have to take RWS. It’s like going 41 BM and not taking BW.
The paperdoll DPS doesn’t tell the whole story. A MM will hit a lot harder on their specials. So DPS would be near equal in situations optimal to both specs. The real difference is in fights were the BM can’t use their pet, the MM hunter will pull really ahead in DPS. That’s the reason why serious PvPers and raiders prefer MM spec.
Amanna’s analysis:
Etiquette – While both Damh and Cuhaille play World of Warcraft, Cuhaille has made no attempts to introduce himself or his pets to me. Damh and I on the other hand, have come to a relatively peaceful “understanding”. And Hobbes has clearly laid claim to the refrigerator. Advantage BRK.
Bravado – cleary, Cuhaille is a skilled warrior in the PvP arenas; challenging all comers confident in his abilities to survive. Meanwhile Damh challenges the entire blogospere to prove him wrong. They both are obviously adept trash-talkers. Tie.
Final analysis – Slight edge to BRK.
Excellent job as always, BRK. I’m a diehard BM hunter too.
Responding to anonymous above, you suggest that MM burst damage is enough to make up for both the player’s 21% base DPS deficiency *and* the MM pet’s DPS deficiency compared to a BM pet. I find that hard to believe, and would love to see numbers on that.
Even if that were true, why would a “serious” PvPer want to go MM rather than BM? How often can you not use a pet in PvP? MM burst damage would have to be *very* impressive, and very frequent, in order to convince me to give up the higher base DPS for both me and my pet, and the “I win” combo Bestial Wrath/Beast Within.
Amanna, I hope we have more than a “peaceful understanding”, I consider you a friend.
Yes, all ‘fridge’s belong to Hobbes, it’s that way at the BRK Adode, too.
Hmmm I didn`t think I was trash talking but I`ll go with that if you want.
Thanks for looking at my gear etc… BRK, I have to say you pointed out all the flaws that I pretty much expected and made excellent suggestions without making me want to cry to much.
I would like to respond to the low agi comment from Taudok though. Basically I decided to let some agi go in favour of ap/crit/stam and int
Cuhaille, we didn’t really think you were trash-talking, but it adds to the flavor of the blog, and BRK likes it spicy!
Thank you for spending the effort and time to come play.
I didn`t think you were but it made me laugh.
I took your suggestions to heart and applied them, although I changed it just a bit from what you suggested.
I`ll keep you updated on how those changes have affected my game.
Thanks again for the input I appreciate it.