Comments on: Why Hawk Eye Stinks for Beastmasters

By: furry

furry — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:58:04 +0000

While you’re leveling and a lot of your life is grinding, hawk eye helps. However, once you are 70 and into raids and instances as your main job, kill it and go for dps. If you have a tank to hold your target, you should be able to attack it at 30 yd or 10 yd- it shouldn’t make a difference if he isn’t coming to you.

I am a PvE raider, and have no use for hawk eye, regardless of what my hunter captain tells me. My job in a raid is dps. And i’m not losing a ton of dps just so i can shoot from farther away.

If I ever do some good ole PvPin, though, and I decide that I should stick with BM, I’ll probably still respec to get that hawk eye.

Truth is, I see survival as the best way to go for PvP. Wyvern sting, traps, survival instincts, deflection. FTW, my friend. FTW.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:28:00 +0000

I think Hawk-eye really has level-specific usefulness. Having soloed to 60 before my guild really got going strong and into instances, Hawk-eye was invaluable.

I think for lower players especially (sub-30), that extra distance while soloing is life-saving, and I strongly suggest it as an early talent investment.

Once you’re really into your talent build later one though, and once you’re well into instances/raiding, the distance will be less and less useful, and the talent points more precious to respec into something else.

By: Shiromaru on Kilrogg

Shiromaru on Kilrogg — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:42:00 +0000

I, doing alot of PvP and solo PvE grinding, require Hawk’s Eye. I was a BRKer before i knew about this “wisdom-filled” site. When I specc’d without Hawk’s Eye I have to admit that; “I Lost My Mojo Baby”. I am almost always at the top for dmg. in AV and in the top 10% for all other PvP.
In PvE, with the extra range I pull most 70 mobs at about 85% health loss (their’s not mine), letting my pet chew up their behind, or sending my pet on the next ‘farm victim’ allowing me to off em easily in one or 2 hits (duel-wield..can’t let go of my SV past). When I pull, I don’t have to back up, I let em plop right down, dead, in front of me. Heck, skinning takes long enough without having to run up to a kill. Yes, BRK, skinning is a Obsessive-Compulsive driven profession.
For PvP, I use a non-growl’d, prowl’d, dash’d, bite N claw killing machine. For you ney-sayers suggesting such things as; “This is a lazy Huntard”…I only stand still in PvP if I am Shadowmelded..You can guarentee that there’s a trap at my feet, and an “Aimed Shot” is in some hordies future.. from that point on, I am a dancing, prancing, Sap-ignoring, pain-in-the butt. So, I sac’d the 5% Mortal shots opting for 1%. I also put 1 point into “Imp Sting”. Why you ask? Because my fellow Hunter’s, Nothing irritates a squishy like Viper Sting, or a plated-knucklehead like Serp. Sting. Just my 2 cents..

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:25:00 +0000

As a 39 non-twink BM Hunter I have found Hawk-eye very useful, now thats jsut me and I’m sitting at 39 in the Battle Ground not doing any PvE.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:50:00 +0000

I absolutely concur with Byron.

The 3/3 in Hawk’s Eye is far more useful than the extra 18% crit dmg.

Hunters need to kite and the +6 yd range gives them that. It doesn’t matter if they do a bit extra damage. Cause without the extra range, you will be more prone to a warrior’s intercept, a lock’s fear, mage’s polymorph, and when they get in your deadzone, it’s over.

By: Byron

Byron — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:56:00 +0000

For instance PvE dps, yes Hawk Eye stinks b/c it forces you to only go 2/5 in Mortal Shots, one of the best dps talents available to BM hunters.

But in PvP I prefer 3/3 Hawkeye and 2/5 Mortal Shots. In world and bg PvP Hawkeye does so much to increase my dps and survivability (and hence dps), I find it worth giving up 18% crit damage for. It lets me engage from further away, starting my dps earlier. It gives hunters the same range as mages so they no longer get to start casting Fireball or Frostbolt b/f we’re even in range. It helps us stay out of range of warlocks/ and priests’ dots and drains and mages Poly’s and other cc. And it increases not only our autoshot range, but Concussive Shot range as well, helping us kite from 6 yards further away. That extra breathing room while kiting makes it safer to stop and Multishot when it’s up, since you can’t fire Multi while moving.

That’s too dynamic a talent to do a direct mathematical dps comparison with 5/5 Mortal Shots and 0/3 Hawkeye, and it also depends on how well a particular hunter makes use of that extra 6 yards. But in my experience in PvP I believe Hawkeye’s damage-enhancing utility compensates for the lost crit damage of 2/5 Mortal Shots.

By: Blayzed One

Blayzed One — Thu, 24 May 2007 21:53:00 +0000

I was planning on respeccing my hunter (lvl 22 atm and currently 0/10/3) I have 3 points in hawk eye, but after reading this and other posts im starting to wonder if i wasted those 3 points. I plan on going BM build mostly, but wanted my aimed shot+mortal shots. My question is, after respeccing, should I put all my talent points to BM first, or should I get my MM points out the way? The first five will go to lethal shots (MM), but after that which way should I go? Please help!

By: J

Thu, 03 May 2007 19:47:00 +0000

Hawk eye certainly isn’t a make-or-break talent. I like it because it allows me to shoot at clothies while they’re still too far away to do anything to me. This is especially evident while kiting.

And in any case my build of choice is Marks/Survival, so… why not get it? (All due respect to you Beastmasters, I did Beastmastery and didn’t enjoy it, and that’s really what it’s all about. )

But you can certainly excel without it. Hunters have longer range untalented than other ranged classes do anyway, and at max distance you’re way out of most mobs AoE range even without hawk eye.

Cheers!

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 03 May 2007 17:04:00 +0000

Ok Firstly, 40 yard range would mean you have hawk eye. So you might want to edit that.

Secondly, I wonder how many times you have died becuase you didn’t have hawk eye

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 02 May 2007 18:14:00 +0000

Here’s some keen MM raider insight for ya…

We don’t like HE either.

It does nothing for our DPS or utility. It’s merely a convenience talent that I’ll be forced to get when I respec SV with 2.11.

Most fights in this game don’t require you to get at that range. Even on Gruul, there’s a knock back before shatter pretty much nullifying any extra range that you had.

On a personal note.. I’m a little peeved that other class can extend their range through talents and only have to spend 2 points to max out, where hunters have to spend 3. What’s with that?!?!