These Emails Make Me Smile
“I feel like I’m attending my first Huntards Anonymous meeting. I don’t think I belong here but then again, isn’t denial one of the initial stages of addiction? Let me give you some detail.
“When I first started playing, I dipped into the WOW collective subconscious and pulled out the ubiquitous Night Elf hunter…with white hair no less. I proceeded to level up quickly, as is the benefit and the bane of the soloing hunter noob. The benefit is obvious to any hunter. I’ll get to the bane in a moment. I tamed a pet (a lovely Ghostpaw Runner) and it got even easier. Soon, I was a killing machine with a killing machine as my best friend. I didn’t need help. In fact, I didn’t need much of anything.
“And that’s the bane of the hunter, at least the lazy ones like myself. It’s easy to put yourself on autopilot, with your pet as your wing man. It’s easy to knock out consistent dps numbers, as long as you don’t become a melee hunter, which I am fortunate enough to have avoided.
“So, I leveled and I leveled. And then I leveled some more. Now, as I prepare to hit 66, I realize I have so much yet to learn about being a hunter. It’s not so evident as I run around Outland killing beasts so stupid they’ll attack my pet with me standing next to them watching the bloodbath unfold. I am revealed as a candidate for huntard when I try my hand at PvP. Sometimes I hold my own. Sometimes I don’t. But most of the time I feel I’m not doing everything I could, even when I survive.
“When I first started playing my hunter, I had no idea how to spec the poor bastard. It wasn’t until I educated myself a little that I chose the MM route. It seemed like the thing to do if you want to inflict serious damage. However, I also found that my pet was not holding aggro and, well, you know the rest.
“Then, one day, I came across your blog and I respecced BM, and I never looked back. It was wonderful, as if a new world had opened before me. But my big crits are gone. And I fear PvP because of that.
“I guess I’m looking for a little encouragement my BM brother. Tell me everything will be alright. Tell me I’ll eventually be a PvP master. Tell me if I get ganked by a rogue I won’t be forced to watch as he slices me up. Tell me I just have a lot to learn. Lie to me if you have to but don’t tell me I’ll have to give up Bestial Wrath. I don’t think I could handle that. Kindestcut”
Do you know how much we love getting your emails? We get home at night and have 10-20 “Dear BRKs” waiting for us. Some are simple questions, some atta-boys, and some, like this, are heartfelt outpourings of consciousness. We believe that this is what makes BRK the Blog so special: You.
One cannot say stuff like this on the WoW Forums without be trolled to death, which is why we want this to be a place for all hunters to come, sit back, kick your shoes off, and just Be.
The root question of Kindestcut’s email is: Is BM viable in PvP.
D@mn right it is.
First, let’s separate PvP from Arenas, shall we? When one peruses the better arena teams, you’ll see they have very similar makeups. There are certain classes and specs of those classes that are very successful and others that are not. Holy paladins are big time in arenas, holy priests are not. Marksman hunters are, BM bunters are not.
It would be very inappropriate of us to comment on why some specs don’t fall into the realm of Arena Worthy because we don’t do arenas. We have neither the time nor the inclination to investigate that aspect of the game.
But for other PvP, we have truck-loads of experience as both a Survivalist and Beastmaster in battlegrounds and dueling. All three specs have fabulous characteristics that can be skillfully applied in PvP. The trick is to apply your spec to the job for which it is best suited. And that job depends on your gear, your experience, and your desire.
In Alterac Valley and Arathi Basin, we guarded flags. Beastmaster was incredible for this. BigRedKitty would destroy anybody one-on-one who tried to take our flag. Anybody. Those eighteen seconds of god-like power basically guaranteed our success.
In Warsong Gulch, we played the mid-field healer-killer. Find the healer and kill him was our raison d’etre. We thought of it as a chess game, sacrificing a pawn for a bishop. Yes, we’d wade into a pack of horde, target that priest, pop Bestial Wrath and that priest had no chance. If we had no backup we’d die too, but the trade-off seemed advantageous.
As a Survivalist, we were a crit machine. Back in the pre-BC days, when 2000 health for a mage was average, we’d still guard graveyards, but would also play defense with passion. Sitting high up on a hill over Stormpike Graveyard and holding that choke point, we’d find a squishy, Aimed Shot him and pray for a crit. Down goes the squishy, retarget, repeat. Fire through the mountain, concussive shot those bear-form druids and let the rogues eat them for lunch.
The current Beastmaster spec is nicely suited for all these tasks. The huge increase in health for all classes means that you must be able to keep range for greater lengths of time.
And if you do get ganked by a rogue, Beastmaster is your best chance for survival. His slowing poisons will have no effect and, since he wears leather, your pet will eat him alive. Use your Snake Trap on him and let him feel what it’s like to be poisoned.
PvP and Beastmaster? Yeah. You’re gonna be fine.


Anonymous on 31 May 2007 at 2:04 pm #
…just a word of advice for fighting a rogue in a bg, before popping that snake trap, make him burn his cloak of shadows (which will remove and raise resist to any DOT or spell other than a physical bleed by 90% for 5 seconds) with a serpent sting.
…also, beware of the latest breed of stun-locking rogue. Yes, your pet can be blinded for 10 seconds, and if they have the proper timer mod (like SorrensTimers), theyll jump from Cheap Shot to Gouge to Kidney Shot to Gouge (at which point theyll probably move a distance where they can re-stealth) and start the process all over again…
…and also dont forget, rogues can see and disarm traps…
Doomilias
Teut on 31 May 2007 at 2:21 pm #
Tip for the first poster who thinks he still has a lot to learn: Pre BC there was a quest for hunters where you HAD to learn all tricks of the trade.
That quest prepared you for BWL and the things to come.
Unfortunately the quest is out of fashion now: the Epic Quest for Rok Delar, the huners best bow and quiver.
If you can attent a MC raid and try to get that quest. Its worth it, its fun, its the best quest for hunters evar
taudok on 31 May 2007 at 2:28 pm #
I’m halfway through 69 now and trying to prepare myself for the arenas, is there any advice out there as to which spec i should go with? I was thinking of putting 41 points in SV, for “Readiness”, yet i’m still unsure as to where the other 20 points will be viable. Any help, advice would be much appreciated, yes “guy,” even from you! lol
click on my name and check out my armory profile and tell me what needs to change. Thanks a ton
BM ftw!
Anonymous on 31 May 2007 at 2:36 pm #
not a hunter, but ive done my fair share of 2v2 arenas. ill say this, you need a combination of high survivability and high burst dps. most 2v2 or 3v3 arena battles arent going to last more than 3 minutes, and at the end of each arena, your cooldowns are reset anyway.
hunterdave on 31 May 2007 at 3:55 pm #
TBH, I love being a BM hunter for 2v2 and 3v3. I smack my macro and I eat MM hunters up. That’s what they get for not bringing their pets out
‘oh, nice Kara bow you got there… oh your dead’
BM FTW!
Anonymous on 31 May 2007 at 4:46 pm #
desolation set or beast lord?
Guy on 31 May 2007 at 5:05 pm #
@tuet
I totally agree man. To be honest, if you are a hunter and don’t have your Rhok, I just don’t have respect for you. Sorry if you think you are a great hunter but never had the opportunity to prove it! That quest tested all your hunter skills, even the melee ones. They’re designed in such a way that your level 70 wouldn’t matter much either, they would be just as difficult as they were at 60.
I still keep my Rhok in the bank, I’ll never give it up, the quest line for it is easily the best in the game.
@taudok
I too am playing with the idea to go to a SV spec, though I don’t pvp much, when I did and I was SV I couldn’t say enough about Counter Attack. It has and always will rock. Wyrven sting has always been a nice addition. With Readiness it now gives you up to 24seconds of ranged crowd control.
Slipping into my old self again though.. What to do with your last 20 points is a no brainer. Throw them in the MM tree and flush out mortal shots. The crit bonus is HUGE with any spec, but with SV it’s key to shredding up your opponents before they can get into your deadzone.
You can decide best how to place your other 15 points based on your play style, but I have to recommend GftT, Rapid killing and Lethal shots.
Mortal shots is the Alpha and Omega of ANY spec.
It’s why the MM spec is the superior spec. To make any spec work you have to grab this talent. Since you’re already going 20 points into the MM tree to get it, just do yourself the favor and reap the benefits of that tree AND pick up MORE talents from the other two trees.
With a SV spec you can’t get IAotH or FF. With a BM spec you can’t get the SV slayer talents. With a MM spec you can have your cake and eat it too. All the DPS without losing ANY of the utility.
-guy
Misfit on 31 May 2007 at 6:05 pm #
I’ve been running my 0/21/40 build for a while now and I love it. I am always #1 on the meters for my guild and I can trap like a champ to boot. I am still lacking some good gems and gear, but I am working on getting my second toon to 70 (lvl 65 Priest) and havent really had time to get them. Anyway, I support the SV build and feel free to tear my build/gear up.
- Misfit
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Whisperwind&n=Misfitique
Misfit on 31 May 2007 at 6:07 pm #
oh btw - let me tell you where I’m at…
I havent touched a heroic and have only downed Attumen.
Damh on 31 May 2007 at 6:21 pm #
The number of heroic instances and Kara bosses you’ve downed is not proof of your skill.
The quality of your gear or the gold in your bank is not testament to your skill.
Neither the ability to complete quests, solo elite mobs, obtain epic mounts, kill thousands in PvP, or write a blog is proof of your skill.
Your true skill as a hunter is measured by the respect you earn from your friends and guildmates.
That’s just how we roll.
Misfit on 31 May 2007 at 6:35 pm #
I wasnt asking for a review of my skill. I was simply offering my armory profile as an example of an SV build, since SV is looked down upon in the general WoW Hunter media, and doesnt get too much attention around here. I realize you, BRK, have respect for ALL Hunters who play their class well, but dont think that me posting my armory profile is me trying to degrade your BM affection.
I mentioned what I have run as a way to judge where I stand as far as the opportunities I have had to upgrade, not to “show off” where I’ve been or how “uber 1337″ I am.
Good job on the blog and the WI success, but please don’t put me down just cause I am running an inferior build to yours.
- Misfit
Guy on 31 May 2007 at 6:48 pm #
OR… Your skill will be judged on your ability to complete the hunter epic bow quest.
-guy
Anonymous on 31 May 2007 at 7:11 pm #
Hold on, there, misfit. You’re not the only one posting here; he can be replying to the rest of us, too.
Misfit on 31 May 2007 at 7:16 pm #
Anon, thanks for pointing that out. I just got some bad news from my program manager and was looking to vent frustration. Looking back I now know BRK was responding in general, not to my post. Sorry for the angst…I need to get out of this program ASAP. Anyone in need of an avionics engineer?
Damh on 31 May 2007 at 7:48 pm #
Misfit, you’re one of our favorite posters. We love that you’ve gone SV and hope you’ll most more of your experiences here.
Our little spiel was so that everybody remembers that just because someone hasn’t done X does not lump them in a group, and just because someone has done X doesn’t lump them in a different group.
At least the owner of this blog thinks so.
Big Red Boar on 31 May 2007 at 8:08 pm #
respect is overrated
brb
Anonymous on 31 May 2007 at 10:12 pm #
As a MM PvP Huntard god, I have never lost to a BM hunter 1 on 1 or duel.
damh likes to say everything to everyone.
We will quote damh from a few weeks ago: “In PvP or duels, MM will usually win over BM specifically because of burst damage. We know this and accept it.” - damh
Anonymous on 31 May 2007 at 11:51 pm #
So? Damh did not say anything about Hunter vs Hunter 1 on 1.
saoirse on 01 Jun 2007 at 12:54 am #
The number of heroic instances and Kara bosses you’ve downed is not proof of your skill. (etc)
I <3 BRK so true :)
Anyway in arena - watch the MM hunter set his pet on me and start cranking up that aimed shot.. I FD, his pet falls for it and runs away, I pop bestial wrath and kick his sorry ass whilst being immune to his rogue/’lock etc. Same works with ‘lock pets.
A lot of it’s about the luck and the timing of when you pop your cooldowns, let alone the skill (but I suppose that IS the skill).
Jason on 01 Jun 2007 at 1:36 am #
So, I found this blog about 3 weeks ago from WI. Anytime I get into a new “commitment” with a game, I have a bad habit of researching everything I can get my grubby little hands on. (Yes, that’s me admitting that I’m a 3-week old WoW newborn N-E-W-B…I’m ok with that, and take every chance I get to remind everyone I can.
) So in my digging through WI, I find this lovely little place that praises the worth of the kitty cat. How can you not love it? So, this is also me saying “hi” for the first time, and sending my warm regards for this place.
Which leads me to my point. This website helped me decide to go the beastmaster spec route, and also taught me many “tricks” to learn how to run the class properly, and not be a liability. I’ve even gotten to the point that I get frustrated in groups when the tanks refuse to let me pull, instead choosing to rush headlong into a fight and get bamboozled by swarms of mobs, while kitty and I sit back and share a hunk of meat.
I’ve spent probably more time than is necessary focusing on doing things right. Watching my pulls, throwing traps when bad pulls happen(and sadly enough, they do happen from time to time), crowd controlling and aggro management, the gamut of skills that a top quality hunter should employ. With that, I’m glad to send a warm thank you to BRK for guiding a fledgling in the right direction.
On that note, I’ve recently started getting my hands dirty in the battlegrounds. I’ve only run one instance so far(Warsong Gulch), but am looking forward to more of it in the near future.
I used to be a member of the old school PvP servers on EQ, and hated it with a passion. I despise having my free time interfered by people with nothing better to do with their time than harass others and “PWNED!!!” everyone. I like to think that there should be some sort of maturity and “chivalry” with PvP, if that’s even possible anymore. My experiences on the old Zek servers(pre-merger mind you :-p ) really jaded me on any sort of PvP action, so I actively went out of my way to avoid it. With WoW, I decided to give it a new chance, and I think that I’m quite happier with it now than I used to be.
All rambling aside(and yes I do that way too much, apologies), I’m not twinked in any way, save for some guildies who were kind enough to make some low-level leather gear for me. Almost all of my gear is gained through questing or random drops. Taking into account my history with PvP, and having absolutely no clue as to how to go about it, my first battleground attempt was quite….shocking, to say the least.
I ended up 4th out of 24.
With all of the practicing on mobs, and maybe a little bit of panic from time to time, I must have learned a few things on how to manage in a fight, because I did much better than I could have imagined.
Point being, a beastmaster spec can do very well in battlegrounds, at a minimum(I have yet to delve into dueling or arena yet, who knows, maybe some day when I’m ready), as long as you apply lessons you learn from PvE, and don’t regress back into huntard mode. Use your skills wisely, exploit your enemy’s weakness, find out what works for your playstyle, and you can do very well.
It’s all just a matter of applying yourself.
Enjoy
–jason
Gregg on 01 Jun 2007 at 9:36 am #
I’ve been getting frustrated with my performance in Warsong Gulch. I kept deciding to play defense in the flag room instead of playing out in the open where I have room to breathe and shoot.
Are there any good BM strategies to playing D or are we relegated to blowing up people in the middle.
Jeff on 01 Jun 2007 at 1:07 pm #
Hunters in WSG don’t have to play midfield D, but we have skills that make us the best class for the job. With Aspect of the Cheetah we are one of the few classes that can instantly have the speed to track down a druid running the flag. Which also brings up the ability to track that flag runner even when they aren’t visible. Frost traps to slow the large groups of people crossing the field. I can think of many more reasons why we are well suited to this role.
That being said we are also good at flag room defense. Flare keeps the stealth druid away from the flag, freezing trap will stop the first person who tries to grab it. And if someone tries to fear bomb the flag room defenders, just pop Beastial Wrath and go to work.
Treowe on 01 Jun 2007 at 2:49 pm #
I made my first trip into PVP the other weekend in Warsong as a lvl 31. For the most part I have solo’d to that lvl and still have loads to learn.
I was often caught standing by rogues and died more than anyone but despite that and despite being the the lowest lvl on the team I avoided being bottom of the charts.
Armed with some of the useful tips here I’m ready to try again and this time do better.
Anonymous on 01 Jun 2007 at 4:13 pm #
“So? Damh did not say anything about Hunter vs Hunter 1 on 1.”
Article quote: “BigRedKitty would destroy anybody one-on-one who tried to take our flag. Anybody. Those eighteen seconds of god-like power basically guaranteed our success.”
It’s inferred here.
BM does not “destroy anybody” and does not “gurantee our success”. The 18 seconds is on a cooldown timer and you take the same damage.
Different play styles sure… but quit misleading people. Back in the day when damh would embrace his hunter counter parts and fellow classes BRK was an interesting read. Now it puts down the other classes and specs in every post. It’s tiresome.
I really don’t care, the more hunters I see with a big red kitty the less they come on our raids, the more I destroy in bg (I kill their pet, then the hunter), the more I kill in arena.
BM spec is for leveling and solo grind. I’ve used the spec on two hunters quite effectively.
taudok on 01 Jun 2007 at 5:33 pm #
i really love the “anonymous”, give a name to back up your jibberish or STHU!
furthermore, if you don’t like reading what he has to say, why are you here? you did “choose” to come here, you weren’t forced! So either keep your biased opinions to yourself, or make your own blog where you can rant and rave to your hearts desire!
otherwise shut it, and bug off!
shyst on 01 Jun 2007 at 9:57 pm #
BM is viable in 2v2 and 3v3 depending on who your partner(s) is/are. In 5v5 BM simply does not offer the necessary DPS like MM to be effective. In World PVP/BG you can spec whatever you want because it’s all just a scrubfest anyways.
Jason on 01 Jun 2007 at 9:57 pm #
@greg….
I have no clue what sort of strategies are typical for the battlegrounds, so I just went off and laid support to the team wherever I could find it was needed. If I saw our flag being taken, I would head towards our side of the Gulch, focus on slowing the carrier, and putting enough damage on him to make sure they didn’t get very far. If they made it back to the other side, I focused on laying support for the tanks to get in to reclaim.
I’ve never been a very upfront aggressive person in games. In FPS CTF games I always focused on defense, and was consistently at the top ranks. I just use the methods from my old shooter days, and they seemed to work pretty well.
Again, it all goes back to your playstyle, and what works well for you. I’d would just recommend that it meshes well with the team, and it’s not counterproductive.
Imo, needs of the team come before personal gain, but I’m weird like that
–jason
shyst on 01 Jun 2007 at 10:02 pm #
@misfit
I know some people like to be different…in fact some people feel the NEED to be different. But there’s good reason why Survival is by far the least popular spec.
If survival is how you like to play your hunter then more power to you. But remember that anytime you don’t min/max you are missing out on a lot of potential.
Damh on 02 Jun 2007 at 12:00 am #
We didn’t lose one-on-one when guarding our flag. We just didn’t. The terrain was to our advantage, our cooldowns were ready, and we loved it.
Check this post out from our PvP days:
http://bigredkitty.blogspot.com/2007/01/saturday-night-fever.html
Misfit on 02 Jun 2007 at 1:55 am #
@Shyst
I feel you are missing BRK’s point…it doesn’t matter what spec you are, as long as you play it well. I am putting out just as much damage as I was when I was BM and MM, plus the utility of better traps. I don’t advocate any spec is better than the other, I advocate solid Hunter skills and enjoyment of the spec you spent your hard-earned gold on. If you think I am sacrificing any damage output in an instance you are sorely mistaken. I have optimized my toon to take advantage of every talent I chose and this is thanks to the info that BRK has provided. Don’t downplay other specs unless you have played the spec with the gear, including enchants and gems, that is made for it.
With that said, I appreciate your input and advice, but I invite you to come along any raid I’m on and I think you will change your mind about the benefits the new SV talent changes offer. Cheers
- Misfit
TrojanGuy on 09 Aug 2007 at 9:50 pm #
I really love this blog.