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		<title>By: Zemulos</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/07/31/we-think-they-may-hate-us-now/#comment-4856</link>
		<dc:creator>Zemulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I didn't used to think that turning set off wreath also, but it has really been our groups experience that it does indeed set it off.  I have done it myself just by being turned with a steadyshot.  Perhaps your form of cc is good times, guy, but I think overall you might play with a stronger group of people than most here.  I have SOME uber people in my group, but I also have some that need to be directed where to point and click, even though they are epicced out with nice dps to boot.  Go figure.  So most of my boss strategies are made to fit the partially retarded group.  I think I have every stoner in Anvilmar server in my guild.  The less I give them to think about, the better off we are.  We oneshot almost every boss in Kara now, because I've learned to accept that I have to think for them sometiems ;) But WTF is up with Nightbane?  We had 3 wipes before killing him this past week.  Each wipe consisted of him randomly attacking someone FAR below me on aggro (I was tanking).  Threat meter was reset every fight and nightbane was set as master target.  Random aggro was really pissing me off.  In addition, people were complaining of not being able to see the charred earth animations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I didn&#8217;t used to think that turning set off wreath also, but it has really been our groups experience that it does indeed set it off.  I have done it myself just by being turned with a steadyshot.  Perhaps your form of cc is good times, guy, but I think overall you might play with a stronger group of people than most here.  I have SOME uber people in my group, but I also have some that need to be directed where to point and click, even though they are epicced out with nice dps to boot.  Go figure.  So most of my boss strategies are made to fit the partially retarded group.  I think I have every stoner in Anvilmar server in my guild.  The less I give them to think about, the better off we are.  We oneshot almost every boss in Kara now, because I&#8217;ve learned to accept that I have to think for them sometiems <img src='http://www.bigredkitty.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> But WTF is up with Nightbane?  We had 3 wipes before killing him this past week.  Each wipe consisted of him randomly attacking someone FAR below me on aggro (I was tanking).  Threat meter was reset every fight and nightbane was set as master target.  Random aggro was really pissing me off.  In addition, people were complaining of not being able to see the charred earth animations.</p>
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		<title>By: Feist</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/07/31/we-think-they-may-hate-us-now/#comment-4802</link>
		<dc:creator>Feist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aran is one of the few fights where a Marksman hunter is far more useful than BM spec.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Silencing Shot, while not living up to it's name, can interrupt his casts, and that is job number one for anyone in your raid able to do so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;More to the point, Aran is a Melee DPS - and especially Rogue showboating fight, so let Doom have his fun.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;the key thing is to have 2-3 short cooldown interrupts (Rogues, Warriors, Shaman), and ideally another 2 or 3 occasional ones (Mage counterspells, Silencing shots, whatever).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Assign each interrupt a school of spells to kick off - Fire or Frost, and they should ONLY interrupt spells of that school  - ideally near the end of the cast. Don't interrupt arcane casts as the mana cost is upfront -  just call out the target for healers to respond quickly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;CC the elementals as much as you can w/ Fears/Banishes/your tank who isn't going to be doing much damage anyway most likely (Aran is untankable), but have your DPS ignore them - they'll despawn after a minute anyway, and bring a druid along to cast tranquility right as you come out of Polymorph -  beyond that, it's a straight up DPS race and Healer mana endurance test -  you as a hunter shouldn't need to stack stam at all for aran.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, and make sure the entire raid sees this:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://shadeofaranchant.ytmnd.com/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Feist, 70 Rogue, Mok'Nathal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aran is one of the few fights where a Marksman hunter is far more useful than BM spec.</p>
<p>Silencing Shot, while not living up to it&#8217;s name, can interrupt his casts, and that is job number one for anyone in your raid able to do so.</p>
<p>More to the point, Aran is a Melee DPS - and especially Rogue showboating fight, so let Doom have his fun.</p>
<p>the key thing is to have 2-3 short cooldown interrupts (Rogues, Warriors, Shaman), and ideally another 2 or 3 occasional ones (Mage counterspells, Silencing shots, whatever).</p>
<p>Assign each interrupt a school of spells to kick off - Fire or Frost, and they should ONLY interrupt spells of that school  - ideally near the end of the cast. Don&#8217;t interrupt arcane casts as the mana cost is upfront -  just call out the target for healers to respond quickly.</p>
<p>CC the elementals as much as you can w/ Fears/Banishes/your tank who isn&#8217;t going to be doing much damage anyway most likely (Aran is untankable), but have your DPS ignore them - they&#8217;ll despawn after a minute anyway, and bring a druid along to cast tranquility right as you come out of Polymorph -  beyond that, it&#8217;s a straight up DPS race and Healer mana endurance test -  you as a hunter shouldn&#8217;t need to stack stam at all for aran.</p>
<p>Oh, and make sure the entire raid sees this:</p>
<p><a href="http://shadeofaranchant.ytmnd.com/" rel="nofollow">http://shadeofaranchant.ytmnd.com/</a></p>
<p>Feist, 70 Rogue, Mok&#8217;Nathal</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/07/31/we-think-they-may-hate-us-now/#comment-4798</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zem,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Between lock fears, banish, priest fears and warrior fears it’s pretty easy to focus fire and cc the elementals while continuing to interrupt.  Just spread out your people around him and make sure they’re ready to pick up a target.  Use each players own form of CC on them instead of trying to mass CC them with an AoE fear or whatever.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a fight where I don’t envy the raid leader as he/she has to mark the targets fast enough and know which targets have what form of CC so they know which is going to get the FF next.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also.. It’s been my experience you can pivot in your flame wreath, jump, FD, /dance whatever you want as long as you don’t cross the fire.  I know it was bugged for a long time where not even a pet (or snake) could be used but I think they’ve pretty much fixed it now to where you just have to make sure you don’t go outside the circle.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On top of it all, you have one guy with a raid icon over his head that you run to every time there’s a blizzard.  I hate being that guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zem,</p>
<p>Between lock fears, banish, priest fears and warrior fears it’s pretty easy to focus fire and cc the elementals while continuing to interrupt.  Just spread out your people around him and make sure they’re ready to pick up a target.  Use each players own form of CC on them instead of trying to mass CC them with an AoE fear or whatever.</p>
<p>This is a fight where I don’t envy the raid leader as he/she has to mark the targets fast enough and know which targets have what form of CC so they know which is going to get the FF next.</p>
<p>Also.. It’s been my experience you can pivot in your flame wreath, jump, FD, /dance whatever you want as long as you don’t cross the fire.  I know it was bugged for a long time where not even a pet (or snake) could be used but I think they’ve pretty much fixed it now to where you just have to make sure you don’t go outside the circle.</p>
<p>On top of it all, you have one guy with a raid icon over his head that you run to every time there’s a blizzard.  I hate being that guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Zemulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zemulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  Guy's strategy works only if you have very strong dps.  It DOES work, but not unless you have the gear and experience to make it work.  And Guy, you find fear to be effective on the elems?  You can only fear one at a time as they are too spread out to mass fear them.  And banish... I like it, but don't find it necessary.  Fear has just underperformed for my groups, but I've heard it works.  I'd rather just have FF on a target right away though personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  Guy&#8217;s strategy works only if you have very strong dps.  It DOES work, but not unless you have the gear and experience to make it work.  And Guy, you find fear to be effective on the elems?  You can only fear one at a time as they are too spread out to mass fear them.  And banish&#8230; I like it, but don&#8217;t find it necessary.  Fear has just underperformed for my groups, but I&#8217;ve heard it works.  I&#8217;d rather just have FF on a target right away though personally.</p>
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		<title>By: Zemulos</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/07/31/we-think-they-may-hate-us-now/#comment-4790</link>
		<dc:creator>Zemulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take two tanks to each of our kara groups.  One prot warrior, and one feral druid.  For shade, there is no reason to not go zerk stance/battlestance and two hander plus pummel.  Two prot tanks with shield is still fine too though.  Interrupts are better than dps for a portion of this fight.  Due to dps not having to hold back, tanks will not be highest on the threat meter anyhow, unless your dps is weak.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ah, all the strategies online also point at letting arcane missiles through and stopping firebolt, fireblast.  I disagree.  All arcane bolts together can add up to about 8-9k damage on a single player barring crits.  Fireball and frostbolt equal 1.5k less damage per target.  The mana usage thing is true, you are not stopping his mana by stopping arcane, but in my strategy, I don't want to stop his mana usage anyway, I just want people to survive and not run the healers oom.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shade only melees if all three of his spells are inerrupted in succession.  Let one in three spells get through, just so he stays positioned in the center and you aren't all running around to get him back there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Flame wreath.  One poster said you can turn all you want.  That is inaccurate.  Turning will set off the wreath.  You can auto attack, but don't move or turn, don't feign death, don't accept a battlerez or soulstone rez in the wreath either.  Hardest part is this, when the elems are out and you're in wreath... you just have to take it.  Bandage yourself if possible, wait for heals and stand still til wreath goes away.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Last note, when avoiding blizzard, if your healers get that aoe silence thing.  Make their asses bandage you.  That's what our pally does ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take two tanks to each of our kara groups.  One prot warrior, and one feral druid.  For shade, there is no reason to not go zerk stance/battlestance and two hander plus pummel.  Two prot tanks with shield is still fine too though.  Interrupts are better than dps for a portion of this fight.  Due to dps not having to hold back, tanks will not be highest on the threat meter anyhow, unless your dps is weak.</p>
<p>Ah, all the strategies online also point at letting arcane missiles through and stopping firebolt, fireblast.  I disagree.  All arcane bolts together can add up to about 8-9k damage on a single player barring crits.  Fireball and frostbolt equal 1.5k less damage per target.  The mana usage thing is true, you are not stopping his mana by stopping arcane, but in my strategy, I don&#8217;t want to stop his mana usage anyway, I just want people to survive and not run the healers oom.</p>
<p>Shade only melees if all three of his spells are inerrupted in succession.  Let one in three spells get through, just so he stays positioned in the center and you aren&#8217;t all running around to get him back there.</p>
<p>Flame wreath.  One poster said you can turn all you want.  That is inaccurate.  Turning will set off the wreath.  You can auto attack, but don&#8217;t move or turn, don&#8217;t feign death, don&#8217;t accept a battlerez or soulstone rez in the wreath either.  Hardest part is this, when the elems are out and you&#8217;re in wreath&#8230; you just have to take it.  Bandage yourself if possible, wait for heals and stand still til wreath goes away.</p>
<p>Last note, when avoiding blizzard, if your healers get that aoe silence thing.  Make their asses bandage you.  That&#8217;s what our pally does <img src='http://www.bigredkitty.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: BRK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;why separate your dmg and Hobbes? do that on another page of the meters imo. that way the dps ego's will be aligned properly.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We like to keep them separate to ensure we're using Hobbes properly. Used as a efficiency and effectiveness tool, a damage meter is a great for determining the where flaws in raid workings occur. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the boomkins and mages are fighting for dps-supremacy, you can bet your tank is doing a good job at generating threat. If they are down-ranking spells and the hunters and rogues are running away with the top positions, you probably have a threat-generation issue which you must correct.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We see no such similar benefit for combining hunter/pet damage data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>why separate your dmg and Hobbes? do that on another page of the meters imo. that way the dps ego&#8217;s will be aligned properly.</i></b></p>
<p>We like to keep them separate to ensure we&#8217;re using Hobbes properly. Used as a efficiency and effectiveness tool, a damage meter is a great for determining the where flaws in raid workings occur. </p>
<p>If the boomkins and mages are fighting for dps-supremacy, you can bet your tank is doing a good job at generating threat. If they are down-ranking spells and the hunters and rogues are running away with the top positions, you probably have a threat-generation issue which you must correct.</p>
<p>We see no such similar benefit for combining hunter/pet damage data.</p>
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		<title>By: brast</title>
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		<dc:creator>brast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest interupting frostbolt and fireball for Aran, but let him cast arcane missles.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1) It is a channelled spell in which he expends the mana at the beginning. Interupting this in the middle of casting does not save you any time in the race against his mana.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2) It is easy to heal through. I seem to recall it being a 4 sec channel and does about 4000 damage in total. That is easy for the healers to keep up with.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you lock out of his schools of magic, he is actually not a complete slouch in melee dps. If your tank has a 2h equipped for the dps race, it will hurt. I'll take arcane missles instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest interupting frostbolt and fireball for Aran, but let him cast arcane missles.</p>
<p>1) It is a channelled spell in which he expends the mana at the beginning. Interupting this in the middle of casting does not save you any time in the race against his mana.</p>
<p>2) It is easy to heal through. I seem to recall it being a 4 sec channel and does about 4000 damage in total. That is easy for the healers to keep up with.</p>
<p>If you lock out of his schools of magic, he is actually not a complete slouch in melee dps. If your tank has a 2h equipped for the dps race, it will hurt. I&#8217;ll take arcane missles instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 things ....&lt;br/&gt;why separate your dmg and Hobbes? do that on another page of the meters imo. that way the dps ego's will be aligned properly.&lt;br/&gt;2nd, steady shot rotation on Aran should never blow u up ...u can turn all u want but don't take a step.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Kara = ZG .... move on(u don't need to finish Kara to do SSC and TK)imo but up to u of course&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Secndworst&lt;br/&gt;Hunter Class Leader&lt;br/&gt;Stormreavers, Shadow Moon(US)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 things &#8230;.<br />why separate your dmg and Hobbes? do that on another page of the meters imo. that way the dps ego&#8217;s will be aligned properly.<br />2nd, steady shot rotation on Aran should never blow u up &#8230;u can turn all u want but don&#8217;t take a step.</p>
<p>Kara = ZG &#8230;. move on(u don&#8217;t need to finish Kara to do SSC and TK)imo but up to u of course</p>
<p>Secndworst<br />Hunter Class Leader<br />Stormreavers, Shadow Moon(US)</p>
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		<title>By: Brigin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brigin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zemulos, thanks for posting your strategy. I have a couple of questions. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. How many tanks do you usually run with to kill Aran?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. When you say interrupt, do you interrupt arcane, frostbolt and firebolt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zemulos, thanks for posting your strategy. I have a couple of questions. </p>
<p>1. How many tanks do you usually run with to kill Aran?</p>
<p>2. When you say interrupt, do you interrupt arcane, frostbolt and firebolt?</p>
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		<title>By: Doogie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night, I went to SSC for the first time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With the tank of our SV run.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And no one else.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I got ganked by six elite fish.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It was grand.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have screenshots.  That place looks awesome.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night, I went to SSC for the first time.</p>
<p>With the tank of our SV run.</p>
<p>And no one else.</p>
<p>I got ganked by six elite fish.</p>
<p>It was grand.</p>
<p>I have screenshots.  That place looks awesome.</p>
<p>That is all.</p>
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