BRK Declares a Bank Holiday
The BRK Executive Assistant is out sick. She’s a sad panda and we’re not going to ask her to comma-check our WoW Insider column today. We’re delaying that particular load of bunkum until tomorrow. Or later.
On top of that, we just got back from a visit to the BRK Doctor Of Uberness. We’re not going to say he’s the best general practitioner who’s ever walked the surface of the earth, but he does two things that makes us swoon:
1) No computer in the exam room. We hate doctors who spend more time slapping keys than they do talking to their patients.
2) Dude knows how to poke and prod, (nothing p0rnographic, folks, calm down.) We don’t want a doctor to take our word about what’s good and what isn’t. What do we know about our own body; most of us can’t even feed it properly.
The BRK Pulse was a resting 56 beats per minute, blood pressure was 97/60, 6′ tall still, (thank Elune, we fear the day we start shrinking,) and a very tidy 189 pounds. We thought we’d been good but he ordered about 1200 blood tests, we assume to punish us for some unspoken faux pas. That pink paper was marked up like our highschool English essays; X’s everywhere.
/insurance rant
Why the bleeping h3ll can’t the nurse at the doctor’s office take our blood?! Why do we have to drive 35 miles to the f-ing “insurance approved” phlebotomist?!”
/insurance rant off
So here we are drained of blood, bruised, no food, no coffee, no executive assistant and no gumption to do much of anything.
Well, we should say the following:
Nobody here appreciates the efforts Shifttusk has given the hunter community more than we do. He’s popped on Drenden and we’ve said Howdy in-game. No bad feelings exist from us. Frankly we thought the whole thing was pretty funny, but we’re gonna accept blame for presenting it in a manner where people could have thought otherwise.
Shifttusk, we’re sorry if we caused you any problems. That wasn’t out intention.
As for the Auto/Steady debate, we have a nice simple solution to show you, but thanks to the Patch we can’t do it.
Did anybody else feel like everything was a mess last night? The sounds of our shots didn’t sync with the graphics. It felt like we were pressing buttons and nothing was happening. This phenomenon was experienced by everybody in our Black Morass and Steamvaults runs last night.
We really dislike advancing This Is Right theories without statistical analysis to back them up. But right now we don’t trust the WoW universe to provide a stable platform for study. So until things settle down on the server and we can trust our action buttons again, we’re going to put the Auto/Steady debate on hold. We’ll then boogie to the ol’e BRK Proving Grounds and do our statistical analysis and make a pretty spreadsheet and chart and everything and slap it up here for all and sundry to peruse.
One of the problems of running this blog is responding to all the great comments and emails. There just isn’t enough time. For example, Pelides made a great comment about allowing Auto Shot to run unfettered during bonus-haste periods because he didn’t want to clip his Auto Shots. Very wise, we advocate that thouroughly.
Then we have the “missing 57 shots” disgrace of an analysis and the “what was going on” illogic. That deserves a giant /slap. If you’ve been in Gruul’s you know exactly what’s going on - people are dying and running and healing and potting and learning! 57 shots missing shots? Call it 60. Say our attack speed is 2.0. That’s 120 seconds we’re “missing shots”. Does you actually think we’re AFK-AutoShotting for 2 minutes? OMG yes, that’s EXACTLY what the comment says! That’s a pretty astounding statement; it takes us aback, it does.
And the next person who calls us “old guy stubborn” is gonna get a whuppin. We take a lot of abuse from Mrs BRK, we’re not gonna get it here, too. /shakes fist menacingly
The reason we don’t do the Auto/Steady/KC macro isn’t because we morally object to it - although we do - it’s because we have tried it, don’t like it, and never saw a DPS increase because of it. But you might be different! You may love it. You may think it’s all that and a bag of Funyons. There are hunters who adore it and wouldn’t leave home without it. Just because we don’t espouse it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try it.
Now Rionsy made a point about how we shouldn’t, “…expect everyone to accept that your play was flawless.” Oh no, no no no. We most certainly aren’t without flaws. We’re not the best hunter who posts here. We’re not the best hunter on our server or maybe even in our guild.
Our pathetic claims to fame are a fun anti-Forum blog and having advocated the BM spec before BM was cool. We don’t have the best gear, the most experience, or the biggest accomplishments, and we’re certainly not perfect. Anybody who has heard us scream obsenities into Vent knows we screw up quite royally on an almost minute-by-minute basis.
(We hope to add BRK Screw-Up Movies to the blog soon!)
Now we don’t disagree that adding more Steady Shots to our arsenal is a bad thing. The next time we’re AFK-AutoShotting, we’ll see if we can muster the energy to push another key or two.
But going Auto/Steady Macro-happy? That’s not us.
And finally, Jabari asked, “Who was responsible for keeping Scorpid up in those fights? Those shots don’t show up in WWS.”
We were. We always volunteer to keep Scorpid up, even against two mobs. Another of the “things we were doing” that affected the number of Steady Shots we used.
Two mobs?
Well, certainly. Let’s take the Attumen fight. Midnight and Attumen have to be tanked separately until they join. One hunter can keep a Scorpid up on each of them at the same time. What’s even cooler is that our timer bars even keep track of each Scorpid Sting separately. Tab-target, Scorpid, Tab-Target, Scorpid and resume DPS.
OK, so for a post where we were going to say, “we’re not going to be posting much today,” this has turned into one mongo-blather of a post. To everybody who comments and emails, thank you, we love getting the stuff. This Auto/Steady discussion has been heated but informative and, most of all, pretty un-Forums-like. We’re proud to be a part of this community.


Faileas on 26 Sep 2007 at 5:43 pm #
You mean.. “Attumen”? ^_^ I always typo in the extra T.
RabidPoultry on 26 Sep 2007 at 5:47 pm #
I love my Doc as well, though the punk is about our age BRK :/. And totally agree on the drive 10 miles so they can take blood somewhere else with a high school student running the needle too :/.
Look forward to the Screw-up movies, sometimes those can be just as helpful as the raids that go right.
Rabid
Stephi on 26 Sep 2007 at 5:57 pm #
Those of you with sensitive… wait… nm, this is Kitty:
WHERE’S MY(and TJ’s) NEXT EMAIL YOU NINNY WITTED SLACKER!
*ahem*
That is all, please return to your regularly scheduled hunter talk.
~heart Cay
TJ on 26 Sep 2007 at 5:59 pm #
/pathetic cough
/looks pathetic
/needs ice cream
pelides on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:00 pm #
Woot! A BRK post mention! Thanks!
For all the statistics in the world, I’m still going to insist that a hunter’s shot rotation is much more like playing an instrument than it is using a tool.
There’s a metronome running based off of your weapon speed and haste effects from spec and quiver/ammo pouch. Imagine you’re playing drums. Think of your arcane/multi like a symbol crash. Your auto shot is your kick drum and your steady is your snare… ok, it’s a really small kit without a high hat.
If you lead with an arcane, get an auto in, steady, auto, steady auto, arcane, multi… your bow/gun simply never stops firing. You have built a rhythm and this just happens to be a very high dps, mana efficient rhythm.
Now, let’s say you’re at the boss. Gruul for example. Getting back to the drum analogy. Tank pulls and you start hauling @ss to your position. Lead with an arcane (symbol crash”, pause, get the auto in there(kick drum). Keep running. (ok, maybe running is the high hat) Stick your position, lead with an arcane and get into your high dps, mana efficient rhythm…
Uh uh… hast effects proc… you’re in Dave Lombardo Slayer Double Bass 1/64 note tempo now. Stick to auto, get those specials in there when they cool down.
CAVE IN! Run, arcane… but pause to get that free auto in there.
Now that I’m thinking about this, if this were mapped out musically, it would sound like Stravinski or early Freak Out Era Zappa!
Shatter!
Rhythm is broken… start again.
Ah crap… out of mana. It’s like a foot cramp or a broken snare head. Fix it and get back into the rhythm.
Gah! I’m creeping up on the threat meter! Feign! Think of that as just hitting the symbol until you come back into time with the rest of the band.
But thinking about your weapon as an instrument and getting to know it’s rhythm and tempo changes will make you dps more out of habit because you’re not thinking about the most basic, mechanical aspects of your job in the raid. You can react to a change in tempo in the blink of an eye without thinking.
Once everyone starts getting the rhythm of their parts together, the band will perform like Primus at the end of a tour, a well oiled machine capable of really incredible improvisation when needed.
TJ on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:03 pm #
Aaaand, Cay, I believe Mr. Doom is up next in the email rotation!
(He’s not as funny or as cute as us, but he should have a turn, too.)
Shifttusk on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:09 pm #
“OK, so for a post where we were going to say, “we’re not going to be posting much today,” this has turned into one mongo-blather of a post.”
Agreed this may rival the uber long shift rant that got me the 5 brk points!
“/insurance rant
Why the bleeping h3ll can’t the nurse at the doctor’s office take our blood?! Why do we have to drive 35 miles to the f-ing “insurance approved” phlebotomist?!”
/insurance rant off”
I work in this industry and this is one of the minor problems. Thankfully I don’t work in a policy making or customer service area because I’d be as ticked off as the consumers.
“Shifttusk, we’re sorry if we caused you any problems. That wasn’t out intention.”
BRK not once did I say you or your blog every made me any problems, I like the blog, i visit it and torture you with comments daily. I’m enthusiastic when I find something to /rant and I think I got a bit carried away in my communication of it to the point it bothered you. That wasn’t the point good huntering was the point and although I swore I wasn’t going to do it /sorry brk for taunting you the point wasn’t brk torture it was hunter information.
“He’s popped on Drenden and we’ve said Howdy in-game. No bad feelings exists from us.”
I got screenshots to prove it. Little did yall know shift is a level 3 goat man hunter on drenden.
“Did anybody else feel like everything was a mess last night? The sounds of our shots didn’t sync with the graphics. “
To the point my mean troll laugh was late every time I /lol’d someone. There were alot of little irks. But thats patch day for ya.
“As for the Auto/Steady debate, we have a nice simple solution to show you, but thanks to the Patch we can’t do it.”
Agreed the system seems laggy but I’m sure some hotfixes will go in by the weekend. I need to test how badly blue owned my DST and if I need to go back to using my wolfslayer as opposed to sunfury+dst.
“Now we don’t disagree that adding more Steady Shots to our arsenal is a bad thing. The next time we’re AFK-AutoShotting, we’ll see if we can muster the energy to push another key or two.
But going Auto/Steady Macro-happy? That’s not us.”
Macro is booring, I use it when learning and thats it. Past that I do the same thing but on my own. Why? its a game its more fun to hit more buttons! But seriously look at the steady thing, you’ll start owning your guildies on the meter more, which leads to them trolling forums to find out how to beat you which leads to deader bosses.
“We were. We always volunteer keep Scorpid up, even against two mobs. Another of the “things we were doing” that affected the number of Steady Shots we used.”
I def want to point out my suggestion about serpents dmg is in no way meaning scorpid shouldnt be up. Scorpid is 5% mitigation for your tank. Its 5% block he doesnt need to push crushing off the chart.
“Aaaand, Cay, I believe Mr. Doom is up next in the email rotation!”
Only if he dresses sexy? Lewl!
Jabari on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:12 pm #
Tab-target, Scorpid, Tab-Target, Scorpid and resume DPS.
*boggle*
Please tell me you don’t actually do this.
Never, ever, ever, ever tab-target when trying to manipulate 2 different (pre-determined) mobs. Ever. Doesn’t matter what class, or what abilities.
The “focus” exists for exactly this reason - please use it.
Stephi on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:19 pm #
Doom has chickened out, at least that’s what his Venty-ness has claimed.
/buys gallon of icecream for teh TJ
/has refridgerator truck Dad deliver it XD
/cheer
Zemulos on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:25 pm #
“Then we have the “missing 57 shots” disgrace of an analysis and the “what was going on” illogic. That deserves a giant /slap. “
WTF is my comment so upsetting for? You’re missing at a bare minimum 57 shots that should have been there. Don’t give me this BS about moving around. If you ahve to move around mroe often, then, just like another poster pointed out, you should have MORE arcane/multishot and such. “if you have time for autoshot, you have time for steady” I believe was the comment. Where was the special mention of that one? Why the hell am I being singled out for it? I didn’t say you WERE autoshooting, I said it looked that way from the data. But other posters put much the same thing saying you have all sorts of time you weren’t attacking. Yet I get the slap? Right back at you. Whatever man.
TJ on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:29 pm #
Zem, would you care to share my ice cream?
Zemulos on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:29 pm #
You know what? Everyone else that made a comment got a humorous rebuttal. But I get the pissed off one. I can take a hint BRK. But I guess I should have taken that hint back when you mentioned the “walls of text” I post. Well, rest assured, you won’t have to worry about it anymore.
Doomilias on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:35 pm #
i did NOT chicken out. i said i will do one if asked, but it will consist of “blah blah blah, hunters suck roll a rogue.”
so, eff it. i want my turn. if i dont get then i will have to pull out the TJ /huff. and yes, TJ, i have been practicing…
..and @zem…lawl…
Shifttusk on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:36 pm #
“If you ahve to move around mroe often, then, just like another poster pointed out, you should have MORE arcane/multishot and such”
Moving around wont increase the number of multishots/arc shots taken it will just change the ration. You can Arc/Multi when moving or standing still but the cooldowns limit the number. The moving thing will limit the number of steady shots.
“Where was the special mention of that one? Why the hell am I being singled out for it?”
Peace zem mon! I got a whole post to be singled out, BRK’s just defending how he was doing the fight.
TJ on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:37 pm #
I don’t really like you, Zem, I think you’re an inflexible, self-important butthead with no capacity for fun, myself. However, I’m sure BRK had no intention to drive you away with any of his posts, or he would have done it long before now, all the times I shriekingly demanded he do so.
I can get pretty loud, you know.
So you stung him with your comment and he stung you back. He just took an entire 40+ comments directed squarely at his ego, you can take one. Big deal, don’t say stuff your ego won’t let you take back later. You write a lot of… words. About… huntery things. That people read. That I, in good I’m-a-warlock-and-not-reading-that-crap faith, believe make sense. Besides, what will you do at work all day?
For the Pie on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:40 pm #
Wait..no fight behind the school?
/boos
Hrrathul on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:40 pm #
You don’t have to tank Midnight and Attumen separately.
Anonymous on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:49 pm #
Jesus TJ…
Are you BRK’s head roady?
I actually find you to be quite irritating myself. A little less boto sucking and actually post something that adds to the discussion…
Doomilias on 26 Sep 2007 at 6:57 pm #
@anon
TJ is BRK’s head research assistant. I’M his road heady. I mean head roady. So what? You wanna fight about it?
Advice: Don’t hide behind the anonymous thing. It just makes you seem like a coward, and everyone lawls at you.
Karl on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:00 pm #
Ok, noob 68 questions and comments here…
First, I’d love to see that breakdown and spreadsheet when it is ready, and the masters have approved it.
Second, could someone post a few shot rotation macros, so those of us who are macro noobs can try them out. While the macros may or may not be the best way to get your shots off, I think everyone should experiment, and at least have one or 2 hotkeyed for grinding or farming and such.
Third, I’d like to see the discussion expanded a bit in regards to PVE situations. There are a lot of us that aren’t raiding that could be aided by more info here.
Doomilias on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:03 pm #
@shift
“Only if he dresses sexy? Lewl!”
…Just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber, you go and do something like this… and totally redeem yourself!!!…
(5 Counterfeit BRK Cool Points for the movie reference)
Rionsy on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:03 pm #
Ummm…. I’m scared and need a hug. Why is everyone fighting?
We’ll then boogie to the ol’e BRK Proving Grounds and do our statistical analysis and make a pretty spreadsheet and chart and everything and slap it up here for all and sundry to peruse.
I am giddy with excitement for the usual BRK spreadsheet analysis.
durtythurst on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:04 pm #
Lovin’ it! Starting point bloggish refs to BRK’s RL studliness… it was downhill gigglefits from there!
This Doc’s prognosis:
Little too RL tall/awkward for spaceflight given current craft designs. Little too dwarfish for giant-sized wow-throne. Just right for extra-game funzies.
BRK writerly chops should be a must at any grill-out. *looks around for BRK roasting recipe section*
Grindurbonze & Pluckureyes
Rionsy on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:05 pm #
Dumb and Dumber rules
BRK on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:09 pm #
looks around for BRK roasting recipe section
ZOMG! We have an incredible recipe for grilled salmon! Tomorrow, we promise.
If we don’t forget.
Which we do frequently.
Onipa'a on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:13 pm #
@Doom
So, should I make up a random name? Would that make it less cowardly?
I couldn’t give a rat’s a$$ if I seem cowardly. That’s not why I post. TJ just bugs me is all.
Telsaddi on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:15 pm #
I see your noobishness, Karl, and I raise you by 6. Noob 62 question…
I have never tried a shot rotation macro. I was under the impression that this was the domain of hunters that raid. Could this have practical PVE uses as well? I too would appreciate a couple of macro examples so I could give it a try. After all, I just learned Steady Shot
Thanks a bunch!
~ Telsaddi
Shifttusk on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:24 pm #
@Karl - someone posted the basic a few posts back:
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/castrandom [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
But theres alot you can tweak on these. The macro above just does auto steady but lets say you want to include arcane shot:
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/castsequence reset=6 Arcane Shot, Auto Shot, Steady Shot, Auto Shot, Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/castrandom [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
This rotation would pop in arcanes once a cooldown and fire steadies the rest of the time.
Telsaddi - you can use macros in 5 man dungeons and I guess as you grind as well. The thing is grinding is booring enough I like to manually do everything expecialy as I grind so i don’t fall asleep. I even farm sans pet and kite.
And doom /flex
Indy on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:27 pm #
Shot rotations are not exclusive to raiding hunters… but raiding hunters darn well ought to know and use ‘em. Doing 5 mans with a decent tank will benefit a lot from a good rotation, as well.
However, soloing with your pet? Unless you wait a boring long time for your pet to build threat first, you’ll likely pull aggro if you do a high damage rotation.
durtythurst on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:31 pm #
“ZOMG! We have an incredible recipe for grilled salmon! Tomorrow, we promise.”
GRILLINGZOMG!
New features for hunter pets?
And cooking…?
WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! hunter’s don’t cook.
seared to perfection,
- Grindurbonze and Pluckureyes
PS. um… “minimal sustained heat…”
Anonymous on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:31 pm #
Also this macro executes your Kill Command whenever it’s off cooldown.
This macro will provide a nice increase in your DPS.
Indy on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:32 pm #
Well, unless you use a boar, I guess. The way charge works with growl, you might well be able to open up full throttle. I just hated their (lack of) swimming animation, way back when, so gave up on boars.
Shifttusk on 26 Sep 2007 at 7:50 pm #
Dont worry about pulling agro off your pet as long as you know how to watch it in a 5 man/raid. Pulling off your pet makes you l2kite which lets you do fun things like kite uveros back to shat or buck up for fun stuff like hey we dont have an OT for illhoves little imp lover…
“Dont worry I’ll just kite him”
Someone on 26 Sep 2007 at 11:15 pm #
“One of the problems of running this blog is responding to all the great comments and emails. There just isn’t enough time.”
I must confess two things:
1) I didn’t read any comment on the last few posts of yours;
2) I skimmed most of those posts too!
You’re the one bringing this on you! You’re just adding too much stuff! It’s hard to keep up so I may as well not even try! I have a game to play ‘ya know?
Daige on 27 Sep 2007 at 4:48 am #
If you haven’t seen these before, you might find them useful.
Cheeky’s Spreadsheet
Current version: 30 (September 18th, 2007)
Excel: http://www.havoc-guild.us/Cheeky/Hunter_DPS_Calc.xls
Open Office: http://www.havoc-guild.us/Cheeky/Hunter_DPS_Calc_OO.xls
Shot Rotation Mechanics
http://warcraftpedia.blogspot.com/2007/08/shot-rotation.html
Rionsy on 27 Sep 2007 at 5:28 pm #
I love you daige. That is exactly what I was looking for.