We Wanted the Post-Fight Pic, But No Luck
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Kaliope runs the WoW Crafting Blog and we have a Crafting Question. But she doesn’t have a fun email address to which we can write, so our question will go unasked unless we find another transmission method.
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Here’s our Crafting Question: how much should one charge for items crafted using [Primal Nethers]? We can make that new [Shadowprowler's Chestguard] and we have two orders from our guild to make them. The customers are supplying all the mats, except the nethers.
That’s a lot of heroics, that’s what we’re thinking. And now we can make the [Nethercleft Armor Kits] and they require Primal Nethers, too. We’ve had inquiries for a few hundred of them.
We ask not because we’re the most selfish hunter on the face of Drenden, but because we are totally ignorant about this. Do guilds usually not worry about the costs because everybody needs something from someone that requires a nether? Is it like Professional Barter Karma that we forget about the time and effort that goes into making these things?
We try to let our guild enchanters pick up lots of disenchantable greenies when we do instances so that when they offer to do enchants for free we don’t feel so guilty about accepting their generosity. But now a guild druid has said, “Send me the finished product and charge me COD whatever you think is reasonable.” We want to be generous and help the guild, but we don’t want to be stupid.
What is “reasonable” when it comes to Primal Nether gear?
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Market price on magtheridon used to be 100g each. My guild usually gave them for 50g each. Sometimes free, but that is usually asking a lot.
Here’s the way we work it.
Guildmate wants a crafted item, guildmate supplies all mats for item except nether (duh), guildmate organizes and participates in run to get nether, guildmate rolls and wins nether, you loot nether and make crafted item for guildmate.
In the event that the guildmate does not win the nether you both still get badges at least.
Non-guildmate wants crafted item, non-guildmate supplies all mats for item except nether (duh), you charge 100-150g for nether and crafting time, you make crafted item for non-guildmate.
But I play on a very old server, you realm prices may be very different.
Aye, Tinwhisker says it quite well. Allow me to add, though, that if said guildie cannot/does not want to organize and/or run a heroic for the nether, then he hereby forfeits his/her right to a free or reduced price nether. This is, of course, assuming you are not currently indebted to your guildmate for some reason, or are good friends with him(or her) and can’t bring yourself to charge full price.
For reference, on Dunemaul, nethers run anywhere from 50-150g, though most commonly for 80-100.
Cynddl & Mugu
70 Troll Hunter
Dunemaul
Yeah, helping your guildie run a heroic to get the nether is usually how we do it in my guild.
Luckily, I no longer need nethers since I took up alchemy/herbalism. I love the fact that I can stock up my hunters and healers with pots and still actually make money doing so. No no no! I don’t charge my guildies for the pots! That’s insanity!
I’m a potion master, so I tend to have lots and lots and lots of super mana and super healing pots laying around.
But back to nethers… Man! I just wanted to get a nethercobra leg armor kit for my shiny new T4 pants, but not a single one of the crafters on my realm had any nethers and none of them seem to run heroics anymore, so no badges either!
Had to settle for the cobrahide leg armor instead. I would have gladly paid 100-150g for that nether, but apparently, running heroics for the nether just isn’t worth it any more.
Sad.
hell, usually 200g easy on my server for the nethers… MORE if 10 badges have to be blown on it… it also depends on the pattern too…
non-guildies basically pay going AH price, minus any mats they supply…
primal airs go for 30g each on the AH, so if they supply the 8 needed for a think netherscale breastplate, they get 240 off the 1000 that the chest piece would sell for on the AH…
guildies… all bets are off, assuming they contribute to the greater good in one way or the other… it’s “free” whatever they want to give
Before I transferred servers, I was happy to assist guildies with anything they wanted at no cost. This isn’t to say I’d turn down a tip if they threw one my way, but I never asked or expected one. It worked well in turn because if I needed something enchanted, I’d always get one for free as well, provided the enchanter had the mats (and I always made certain to send him some items to DE unless I was short on cash).
On my current server, the economy is noticably different. Guildies charge guildies. This seems to me an odd thing to do. We’re literally on the same team. I understand if mats are an issue and the enchanter is missing several large prismatics. But telling me I have to go to the AH and buy 10 Large Prismatics, 8 Arcane Dusts and Partridge in a Pear Tree doesn’t seem right in the grand scheme of things.
After that lengthy diatribe, I’m inclined to agree with the above posters. If mats are provided for an out-of-guild player, 100-120 is the typical price. Easily halve that for an in-guild member or go for the good karma and give it for gratis.
Arren & Sharoon
Human Warlock
Skywall
standard nether fee for most professions on Mok’Nathal is250-300g. LW’s have gotten themselves into a bit of a pricewar though - their nethers are only worth 100 -150 it seems
primal nethers are crap.
It’s absurd to have items/resources in this game that can’t be efficiently or effectively converted to other items/resources.
But, that’s part of the market part of the game that seems under-managed (or over-managed). This also seems to depend heavily on the particular realm/server.
And, the links/barriers between servers and markets is SEVERELY limited according to some subscribers.
eh… pointing out flaws is easy. Thankfully, I’m not employed to find the solutions.
Grindurbonze and Pluckureyes
Standard price on TB, to my recollection, is around 150g. I’ve never crafted anything with Nethers for guildies, but my SOP for non-Netherred items is 1/4 the AH/market price for any non-supplied mats (unless it’s something dumb like Heavy Leather that I can farm in ten minutes on my Hunter).
100G here. I always get the impression I’m undercutting the market but people end up happy so that’s fine with me.
On Arygos server, they tend to go fo 100-150g. I usually charge 80g for non-guildies and no charge for guildies. My guild still runs a lot of heroics for fun and we usually all pass on the nether and then argue about who is going to take it rather then leave it behind.
Our guild actually has a policy where members aren’t allowed to charge other members. You make a profit off the general public, not your guild. It’s a professional courtesy so to speak
Going price for Nethers really depend on server. Just sit around Ironforge/Shat City during peak periods and you should have a good idea what the situation on your server is like. Most hover around the 100g range
As for guildies, mine is a rather laid back, ‘we-all-know-each-other’ guild, so it’s basically crafting karma involved, as long as we have it lying around.
If I don’t have any (like Primal Nethers), then the guildie in question organises the run and ‘win’ the Nether for me to craft with.
I see people selling various crafted items “your mats + my nether 100g” on Dath’Remar and so I assume that is the market price. Personally, I reckon that is too cheap and that is why I don’t spruik my crafted patterns.
I have only ever had 2 nethers and one of those I have used for my own equipment. I haven’t spent any badges for them either: 10 just seems to much and I am hoping to use my heretofore moderately useless badges on something nice one more rewards have been added.
never charge in guild …..
anyway, thats what we do ….
out of guild, soak ‘em
Speaking as a completely objective third party observer with absolutely no personal interest in the matter… you shouldn’t charge them at all!
I hereby join in the choir singing praise to guild-run heroics and letting the resulting nether fall to a crafter, as long as it’s agreed upon beforehand.
As BRK’s guild is a Gruul’s atm, there’s a lot of nice side/upgrades in HM’s, so there’s no reason to NOT do them.
I can recommend HM Slavepens. It takes ~1 hour once you figure out how to bypass 80% of the trash and gives 3 badges/1 nether and some pretty decent items, especially from Quamirran (THE trinket, according to some dps-casters)
So 2 runs will get a Shadowprowlers done, 1 run for leg armor/enchants.
Also, if you just want to avoid the hassle, go farm the first 3 badgedropping mobs in HM Mechanar. That’s 2 blue drops (you did remember to join the key and send your rogue/druid down to open the “chest at the elevator, right?)
for shards and 3 badges for everyone. Should only take around 30-40 mins.
I do realise that it’s alot of badge/nether grinding, should the sole responsibility of crafting 4 shadowprowlers/100 nethercleft, but you’ll be happy at being Excalted with Sha’tar & Cenarion Expedition once you start doing Serpentshrine Cavern.
And on the EU Azjol-Nerub a nether is usually worth 150-200g.
This is subject to change, as for some of the BOE epic recipes cost seem to be factored in, raising the price to 250-300 when you want to get some epics made.
I charge 50g to guildies and 100g to outsiders per Primal Nether.
Condition 1 - in-guild run, nether drops. Guildie wants crafted item. Free.
Condition 2 - PUG run, I win roll on nether. Guildie wants crafted item. Guildie either A) organizes a run to get nether in-guild, or B) pays the common street price for my nether I earned while pugging.
For a guildy I would say 35-55g, depending on who it is and how well you know him, etc. Free is asking a lot, 100g for a guildy is a bit of a rip. Best of luck finding the sweet spot!