Comments on: WTH is WWS, Part I

By: The Lords of Nordrassil » Blog Archive » Wow Web Stats (WWS) Introductions

Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:18:22 +0000

[...] (The ubiquitous (in a good way )) BRK covers getting started and thoughts on measuring DPS. [...]

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:01:00 +0000

Yes, this coming from a dps class, lol. If actually bothered to play a healer / tank, you’d realize the onus of a successful raid is much more on the dps now than it ever has been. There are a LOT of DPS players out there who output shit dps, and the WWS is a TOOL to help find those players and correct what they’re doing. It’s a lot easier to figure out if a tank / healer sucks because it causes very noticeable results. So yes, don’t cry about WWS because it’s going to expose you as a bad dps’er. Embrace it, use it, learn from it.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:27:00 +0000

To maximize your DPS a great tool is Cheeky’s spreadsheet from Havoc guild.

An intro and instructions with the link to the sheet is at:

http://forums.tkasomething.com/showthread.php?t=8616

Assuming you are 70 in this you can choose all your gear, spec, pet and pet abilities and it will calc your DPS vrs a lvl 73 boss. It is also very useful for comparing items for possible upgrade (ex should you switch sonic spear for legacy or emeral ripper or Malchezeen etc).

This tool is used by many to break the 1000DPS on Gruul at both the Elitistjerks forum and the TKASomething forums.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:37:00 +0000

I’d like to posit that your role as hunter is to be “the best d@amned hunter in your guild and not be the ‘hun-tard’.” My guild is still not running Kara. Getting people attuned is an aspirin bottle enough every week.
One instance, I am called upon to CC and I wind up doing just that, chain trapping, pulling mobs off squishes and grabbing the aggro of the mobs who once were trapped but now are free.
In another instance, I simply keep the healer alive because no one else is.
In a third instance, my pet off-tanks and I wind up spending my time simply auto-shooting because my usual macros pull aggro off the tank who can’t hold it. How much damage do I have to take until FD is ready, for the 3rd time?
Before you say, “Go find another guild”, all of these situations force me to be a better hunter. So I can’t provide sustained amounts of dps in anything near consistent fashion and I wind up in the middle of the pack. No one died, we finished the instance, people got what they needed and I figured out that “X” is resistant to freeze traps but fire traps, hahahaha. Or if I watch the cooldown on “Intimidation” and toss it every time it cools down, the tank can do what he’s supposed to be doing. Or if I watch both my pet and my health bars, the healer doesn’t have to worry about me and can concentrate on keeping the frost mage, who thinks he’s a tank, alive.
My point is, I do my job, whatever it turns out to be even if it’s not what I signed up to do. I don’t have to be #1 in dps. If I screw up, even if it’s something no one notices but me, I come back here and check out what I could have done differently. It’s nice to be #1 in dps but it’s nicer to get through the instance alive. The drops don’t come off the last boss if you never get there.

By: Xizang

Xizang — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:34:00 +0000

BRK has covered the same topic as I did He’ll do it better than I would anyways. But you know what? If I once feel like writing on chain trapping I will do so as well

By: Mingo

Mingo — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:12:00 +0000

41/20 BM/MM build, running Kara, downed everything but Illhoof and the dragons. Don’t have all the hunter drops yet but doing pretty well. Running Gruul with another group. Logged the Gruul run last week in WWS, did not down Gruul though (45%). I did 472 DPS on my own, with my pet added I was at 683, and finished #2 for overall damage done.

I still need to get alot of enchant work done.

By: Sebulon

Sebulon — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:36:00 +0000

I would like to stear this discussion to talking about actual dps instead!

Fighting dps! Not paperdoll.

It should be possible to make some "acceptable dps" chart that takes into account the individuals level of progression.

Nothing to advanced but a sort of personal "benchmarking" tool.

I will contribute the first number myself: Running kara but have never gone past Curator. Hybrid build SV/MM atm and doing approx 500 dps on boss fights.

What do the rest of u do in the dps department, please include level of progression and build!

By: Tom

Tom — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:03:00 +0000

“WoW is NOT a DPS race.”

Except on gruul. “600 DPS? PULL YOUR OWN WEIGHT, GAWD!”

By: Thomas

Thomas — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:42:00 +0000

BRK I think you killed WoWWebStats…

error 504 Gateway Time-out
The server didn’t respond in time.

By: QuestionC

QuestionC — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:20:00 +0000

Hi, Feral Druid here.

The purpose of a hunter is to provide massive quantities of sustained, ranged DPS. Notice we didn't say, "... to provide the most DPS of any class." A hunter can top the damage meters, but so can a rogue. So can an mage. So can a warlock. So can a fury warrior. So can an elemental shaman. So can a shadow priest. So can a feral druid.

Without saying it, it seems like you are implying it's ok for a Hunter to be outdamaged by a Feral druid.

I would say think of it this way...
The purpose of a Feral Druid is to enhance and rescue his teammates while providing moderate quantities of sustained DPS.

Yes, we work hard to maximize that DPS because it's half our role in a group. Still, we have a limit, and it isn't as high as that of a Rogue or Hunter. No amount of mad druid skills can outdo what a good Rogue/Hunter is capable of. If a Hunter or Rogue is consistently not out-damaging the lead Feral Druid, then that Hunter or Rogue needs to put some more effort into his DPS.

For Rogues and Hunters (and Mages and 'locks?), it really should be a mad race to the top of the charts without disrupting healer/tanks, because those are the only classes designed to do that.