Just wanted to add.. I love all my lovely Hunter specs… played mm since Nov 28, 2006 (or thereabouts.. pretty much 2 days after wow was released, I was over lvl 10 and spec’ing MM) Once BC was released, and I was heading back to leveling, I switched to SUV to “check it out”… hated it for 2 weeks.. persevered.. love the spec as much as MM now…

Then respec’d to BM to help Power Level up some friends so we could do lvl 70 instances together… hated it since I seemed to have lost all the cool hunter abilities I’d gotten used to… 2 weeks later I was lovin it…

Then.. sad day of sad days.. ran my first heroic… about 50% trap resists, ouch… (we started with UB, so I was the only CC for a few pulls.. this hurt us alot..)

oo.. happy days again, I’m respec’d to SUV again, and this time it only took a couple of days to get used to loving my spec again.. now I’m the main CC’er in all heroics and Kara… my dps dropped a little when I switched, but I’m still up there.. (can’t catch our uber rogue anymore, but he can’t CC 2-3 mobs at a time either)

so to get around to making a point…

ALL hunter spec’s are awesome.. they all have their great strengths. The thing to remember is to try them out (I would suggest for at least a month of solid play).. then just flip between what you feel like each month..

gear ideas: I’ve found that focusing on agi/int/sta as the main balanced stats allows easy transition between each of the main spec’s with the least amount of gear switching required… (of course you can tune with +crit, +hit, +AP, +mp5, etc as you try to tune up a spec)

this means I’m usually not the top “dps’er” or L33t hunter.. however.. I like to play the hunter for it’s class strength.. damage and versatility… that’s what we bring to our groups and raids… and that has less to do with spec than it does with being a hunter of any flavour… (yay.. thanks to blizzard for doing an awesome job keeping all 3 tree’s “viable everywhere”)

now.. about this pvp problem I have… ROFL… looking forward to testing out the min-range fixes, and seeing how effective the rest of the hunter changes are in arena.. (oh.. and why do they nerf our traps in pvp? I spent 6 points in making my traps better… now they’re useless) (that’s the only pvp where I feel almost useless right now…)

Kkir - Trapper Today

Well done. …whats that? I think I hear the bell ringing…you wouldn’t wanna be late for your first day of fifth grade…..

ps I am BM LOL you guys are too easy….take care and keep up the good work…..

I probably didn’t state it clearly when I originally mentioned it so I’ll clarify - over the course of a fight, the decrepency between the tool tip Crit % and actual Crit % will be relatively equal for a MM and a BM. Not the amount of crits, not the crit damage, but the difference between whats on paper and what actually happens.

One of your main arguments seems to be “when your pet dies, you’re screwed” and thats true. My pet dies and I take a huge DPS hit. But my pet doesn’t die. The only boss in Kara that my pet usually eats it on is Aran and thats cause with all the running around I personally have to do I get lazy and just leave him in there and sometime (i know its bad, im sorry) forget to throw a heal on him.

It also seems to me that you don’t have a shot rotation. This fact alone pretty much tells me you aren’t gonna be out dps’ing even an undergeared BM hunter. The MM spec has a shot rotation that isnt just “when where and how much”. you should be weaving two specials in between your autoshots. If you aren’t, well then you aren’t even maxing your own MM DPS. And if you have to drink during a boss fight, thats 8 sec at least that you arent DPS’ing…good luck catching up to my DPS with my pew-pew shot rotation.

And now to respond to the personal attack…ah my favorite part….

You say I’m angry…I think my posts have pretty much just stated the facts and my interpretation of them. never once did I type anything that could be construed as “angry”. To be honest, you’re the only one in this post that seems angry. Take a breather, step back. Its only a game…no need to get this incensed about things.

Then you say I posted math (which you feel is just “made up” by “tools”) that I didn’t even do myself. You’re right. I have a career and so I can’t exactly spend hours upon hours of testing and number crunching…hell thats what I get paid at work to do. But someone else was courteous enough to do that math for me. Not only that, but they put it all together in a nice, easily readable format. And if that wasn’t enough for those of us to lazy to do it ourselves, they created an amazing spreadsheet (which if anyone out there hasn’t looked at, I suggest you do imediately. You can find it at tkasomething.com. Just search for Cheeky’s Spreadsheet)where you can plug all your gear into and it will generate the numbers for you. You can also come up with shot rotations and see which will provide better dps. These are cold hard numbers. They show the damage potential of the different specs via numbers and not “well this has been my experience so it must be like this”. If you’re too stubborn to see the difference between a MM and a BM’s damage potential even after all this, well then I don’t think anyone is gonna change your mind. For the rest of the people reading this however, they’ll be able to see the way things are with their own eyes.

And then, when all else fails, you resort to the “you’re only doing it cause everyone else is doing it” argument. When I played at release I was a MM hunter. It was the big crit, big damage spec. Nothing else could touch it. You could one shot a clothy with an aimed shot. You could pretty much three shot anything else. And I stuck with that pretty much until BC. Just before BC is when I changed to BM and realized that it was now the King of Hunter Specs. THEN (as in after switching to BM) I found BRK’s site. Now its been a while since I watched Sesame street so I may need to brush up on my “Before” vs. “After” as well as my “Near” vs. “Far”, but I’m pretty sure that finding this site AFTER I changed specs means that this site had no influence on me feeling BM was the better spec.

This community is here to help other hunters and attempts to be entertaining while teaching (and I must say that BRK has done a great balancing act with the two). The community doesn’t take kindly to trolls. View that differ from whats accepted are not rejected. If someone makes a claim and has some sort of evidence to back it up, the community listens. Disucssions happen. Minds may be changed. Off the top of my head, Shifttusk and Guy both had views that were different from BRK’s. But instead of writing a post that summed up to “You’re dumb and I’m not cause I said so”, they held actual discussions. Facts were presented. In the end, no one’s mind may have been changed, but there were discussions about things. It was all good in BRK-Land (BRK we can talk about licensing of your new theme park once your new job settles down). But when someone comes to BRK’s webpage, says that most of what he writes about is a lie, and then insults almost the entirity of his readers….well thats stupid and you’re just asking to be dismissed out of hand.

So anyways…I’m done wasting my time with someone who refuses to listen to anything or anyone. It was fun wasting my afternoon on Friday, but the novelty has since worn off. Good luck with your markman spec, and I hope you enjoy playing the game for many years to come.

kalolz

i mainly PvE so of course i’m BM now and the only way a MM can keep up with me is on super short trash fights … or on Al’ar type fights. but even there if u OOM then u loose.

we have the top 2 rated SV hunters and the top MM hunter on our server and i even go so far as to humbly say, they are better players than me, but they still cannot keep up with me on any fight longer than 4 min. i even give the MM a SP(i’m hunter class leader) and still no way.

what i don’t get is in any given fight i use between 17 to 21 different buttons. so just because i put 3 of those in a macro somehow it makes it easy mode? between trinket, potion, racial, pet, aspect and talent rotations …. how in gods name does that make that easy mode ….
i guess if all i did was steady/auto macro u would have a point but then u would almost keep up with me …..almost…. lol

All I do is call you out for being a troll and you get all nasty about it. Really hard to maintain the high road when you shoot yourself in the foot.

And I’m done clogging this space with my comments. Much love to BRK and friends.

I have read all these replies and I have to say that it seems like you are getting upset that other people have sources that says the BM has the potential of being superiour than MM in raids. Also I noticed that you said that you dont have any facts on that this isnt true, but yet you claim that MM is far superior than anything else by some mystical reason. Im not really declaring war on your way of thinking, but in my opinion you are only making an arse out of yourself, which is very lamentable. From what I have read in your posts it seems also that you have some kind of an attitude problem, but the reason I do not know. If you think that you are the omgodness leetzors haxxors uber dpzor, lucky you. Play in which ever way you like but unless you have some hard proof that BM doesnt have the highest dmg potential, I suggest that you stop your trolling. See now what you made me do? I enjoy BRKs blogging so much and read it every day, and usually Im the ninja reader, but you made me actually type more than one sentence.
<3 and peace.

You need to stop, because you are starting to make us MM hunters look bad. I do well enough as MM, but I don’t purport that MM can do what BM’s can when their pets are up in Raids.

I would easily link my armory credentials as a hunter who’ve raided SSC and TK, but it’s too easy to go copy someone else’s armory link to post here so I won’t. Seriously though, have you raided past Kara?