Comments on: Do A Little Quiz, Send a Little Love

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:31:00 +0000

But…but…is it all about “providing massive amounts of sustained dps”? If that’s the case, then Ima plant my little tushie here on top of this grassy knoll, hit Bestial Wrath, send in da bear and blow dem suckas away.
That works if you’re going solo or in a low level instance. But, last time I checked, Kara, Serpentshrine, Gruul, all required more than one person to go with you and not to hold your hand.
Chromaoran and others make a good point about Damage Meters and their unreliability. I participated in an MC run. Three people with damage meters, three completely different dps results. I’ll repeat myself, if you use a damage meter only to see if you can be #1, you’re not doing all the things that contribute to the success of a group.
Come on, a good hunter, not a huntard, knows her shot rotation, knows what works well against certain classes of mobs, knows her pet, knows her traps. Vaerlin, I’m willing to bet that if you are doing all that CC, you are just as valuable to your Kara group as the BM who is in the corner blasting on his Khromium gun. It’s not just about MD Aimed onto tank, BW pet and attack, then arcane/auto/steady/auto/scorpid/auto repeat until the mob is down. Ooooh mob on a squishy! Who is closest? Me, well, sure I can pull that off. Allow me. (poof) Anyone for popsicles? (The best sound in the world is the sound of a freeze trap I’ve dropped going off.)
Personally, I will never play anything other than BM. I started another hunter with the idea that I should learn the other trees but I didn’t like the other trees so she went buhbai. But if you are a good MM or SV hunter and you know how to CC and dps, come on along. Does your pet like cheese? I got extra. We can talk shop. It’ll be fun. Have you been to the BRK hunter blog? Good. Good. Isn’t that LOS movie the best? You learned something, too. Yeah, it was boss…

Gimmlette and UrsaMajor

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:56:00 +0000

Vaerlin
I love MM and enjoy playing it. Yes I went BM and yes my DPS went up (not rocketed, went up).

So any tips on how to be a better MM are very useful.

BTW I am in Kara most nights but my DPS is never going to be up there as I spend so much time trapping etc.

By: 2ndworst

2ndworst — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:22:00 +0000

@Anonymous
it’s more than just melee ..it’s 300 atk pwr to any physical damage dealer ….. includes hunters too.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:20:00 +0000

I have to say, playing Survival is quite fun. I love feeling important (I just broke 1150 agi raid buffed, WITHOUT a totem. So, like, 300 AP to the 5 melee we bring?), and I love having to time my shots.

And I do more DPS than most MM hunters I’ve seen anyway. MM is a PvP spec. There is no long ANY lure for it, because it’s buff is terrible and static, and it’s DPS is sub-par.

By: 2ndworst

2ndworst — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:57:00 +0000

something i thought of after Sayth said that “and spec SV.
This way you will do nearly the same damage as you would do as MM”

thats funny …. SV hunters bring 25% of their agi as atk pwr buff to any physical damager doer in the raid, thats like 250 extra atk power each, over a fight that will translate to like and extra 100k damage ….if you could find a way to add that to their damage total, they would top the meters everytime …the value they bring to a raid is huge and we bring one to every raid. unfortunately, you only need one.
saying that is like the clothies arguing that we can’t count the pets damage as ours …..

By: 2ndworst

2ndworst — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:40:00 +0000

@Anonymous
Vaerlin has some very good points but the underlying tone is what a lot of MM hunters use to fall back on when they realize their spec cannot compete in PvE tank and spank situations. They all say the same thing, “one button smashfest”.

it’s hardly that at all, as i use anywhere from a low of 11 buttons to a high of 21 buttons in some fights. because i put 3 of those buttons in a macro somehow makes me inferior. Please …. anyone who says that is very tunnel visioned and is missing the big picture. and that is the success of the raid period.
***if your purpose in a raid is massive dps, then it’s your responsibility to do everything you can to up that dps.***
for fights like Vashj, you do not have any room for error and 1% less dps by someone your counting on to be in the top 3 could spell the difference between success or failure, let alone be 5% behind.
so don’t use the macro, i don’t care, but then why are you flasking or using CastBar Mods? Oh, to up your dps you say …. well … so am I.

don’t be hatin if you can’t keep up.

Now to qualify, if all i did was to hit the one button and watch TV …. then they have a point. But, trinkets, pots, pets, traps, aspects, weaving shots while moving etc., don’t happen by themselves.
Yes , any spec is viable and whatever you feel will make you happy, then go for it. I personally also like the Glass cannon SV hunter approach to things.
but right now my raiding spec is BM max damage and that may change if there’s a better way to help the raid.

By: Sayth

Sayth — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:15:00 +0000

Indeed, since Aimed shot was hit with the nerfbat MM DPS took a big hit.

Is there a rational reason at all to spec MM (except for PvP)?

In the lowlevel and midlevel raids BM DPS is clearly better.

If you have an aversion against simple and tight shot rotations like the BM one you can still stack AGI and spec SV.
This way you will do nearly the same damage as you would do as MM, have more utility and most important: give that yummy raid wide AP buff to all physical DPS.

Sayth of EU-Gorgonnash

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:05:00 +0000

Njoy it for the last week boys. MM is finaly coming back like a storm with 2.3.

Now maybe we can get back a bit of variety into our class rather then 10 thousand bm hunters with cats set on aggresive running around acting original. /petattack /afk /bored

btw: shot rotations and knowing when your autoshot is going to fire IS the meaning of being a hunter. If your BM specced in blues and you are beating MM specked hunters in a raid then not only are you a burden to your healers, your also in a terribly composed raid with noob huntards. or delusional.

Being an MM hunter is about SUPPORT, which is odd seeing as we are a support class /whodathunk. im sure that the 2% dmg buff is much more needed in a raid then improved traps or silencing shot. reroll locks/mages and qq some more.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:49:00 +0000

@Vaerlin
I’m a little confused about the mention of a single click macro that will allow a BM hunter to top damage charts and how MM is more micro management. Last time I checked the damage done from a MM hunter’s pet is negligible compared to that of a BM pet. If your pet goes down mid fight not too big of a deal, if mine does I lose about 40% of my damage. Seems like a BM pet would require more micro management. Also, I almost always top the damage charts when I run with my guild. Albiet I am not at Kara level, I can’t even run any heroics. Yet I out DPS most of my guild members, of any class, many of whom are in Kara. I do this without a “steady shot macro.” Maybe raiding is a huge change in the way you have to play. By your description, i.e. perfect shot rotations/timing or a single click macro, I really don’t want to raid, sounds more like a job than like a game.
Jables & Thor on Korialstrasz

By: Vaerlin

Vaerlin — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:05:00 +0000

For those of you with guilds that have MM hunters who just can’t seem to put out that damage, well… blizz nerfed the spec into a PvP spec.

Before the scorpid nerf, in Grull and Mag and early SSC/TK level gear and raids, we had 3 very skilled hunters in our guild.

One of each spec. On average, our dps was probably equal. Some fights are very un pet friendly, some are VERY pet friendly. There was no doubt that on a tank and spank mob that the BM hunter could push out the most dps by himself. But with all raid buffs up and debuffs on the boss and the scorpid with it’s massive RAP scaling damage… well, the MM hunter was very competitive in dps. (And if you do some careful testing with good rogues, they’ll be able to show you that TSA is better than FI at that gear level, however… FI is always better for casters)

No longer. I always raided as MM with alot of care for my pet (I was the only hunter I knew to always, and I meant always, use his pet raiding, it’s been called out by Rajax, teleported by Domo, etc…) and I was ecstatic when I got my scorpid. It was like a not so overpowered wind serpent (in the old days) it was the perfect MM pet for a while. Alas, no more.

MM requires a VERY skilled player with a good ping to be viable. The critical timings on the complex and long shot rotations along with constant care of mana (you kind of have to learn each fight to figure how hard you can go or when/if you need to pot to end up with 0 mana just as the fight ends) make MM a tough spec to put out dps with. It is possible, but it’s not the same as grabbing some BM macro bot that can spam one button and top the damage meters. A good MM hunter has to be very focused all the time to be successful in a raid. When I was raiding with my hunter as MM, I’ve topped the WWS damage meters on Mag and Gruul as MM. Rarely, though I was consistently in the top 5 (depends on how my pet did, MM pets require alot more micro because they’re more fragile).

The point wasn’t who was on top, but that our synergy made each of us much more powerful than if we had all been BM. I don’t feel this is the case anymore, and MM isn’t worth the effort. After the 2.3 changes, just tell your hunters to spec BM, get a mouse clicking circuit, and hover the pointer over their steady/auto macro. Gogo blizzard development team!

However, if you’re honestly curious about tips that can make MM do good dee pee ess, feel free to drop me a line.