How to Deal With Feelings
“Dear BRK … I never was anything else than MM, not even for a week. Until I found your blog and until I really began to understand how BMs work, I just thought along the lines of so many other hunters: ‘BM? Yeah, nice joke. Go and respec.’
“So, all those 70 level I was playing, I always had a cat, I always had two axes, never touched any bows - because guns just rock - and I never thought about respecing … So that leaves the question: Should I respec?
“I really love Improved Stings and, since I’m the hunter who has to pull Maulgar to our tank, I love Hawk Eye, too. So I’m really undecided if BM is right for me.
“I know, you already told several people that you can’t say BM is best for everyone but I wonder if you could tell me, how I could “forget” about those two skills or something like that. I just don’t know how I should spec my little hunter so she will make as much damage as possible. And yes, in my opinion, Serpent Sting makes a lot of damage, as long as it’s skilled and you are a MM. With friendly regards, Nayamé and Styx”
Fact: The highest PvE-DPS spec is Beastmaster.
Fact: Survivalist-spec provides more utility in heroics than BM because of the longer-lasting and less-resistible traps.
Fact: Properly employed, Scatter Shot is massively useful in PvP.
Fact: Serpent Sting, in it’s current pre-patch-2.3 incarnation, does extremely-poor damage.
Feeling: You love Hawk Eye. We can tell you until we’re blue in the face that you don’t need it and it’s a waste of three talent points, but if you love it you’re probably going to ignore our opinion.
Fact: We’ve pulled everything in every 5-man regular and heroic instance, Karazhan, Gruul’s Lair, and Void Reaver without Hawk Eye. For PvE in Outland, Hawk Eye is completely unnecessary.
Feeling: You love Improved Stings. We can tell you until we’re blue in the face that Stings - other than Scorpid - are a total waste of mana and Improved Stings are a colossal waste of five talent points. But if you love them, you’re probably going to ignore our advice.
Fact: Serpent Sting is one of the worst shots we have in terms of Damage vs Mana-Consumption.
Feeling: Bows sux, Guns rox. (We happen to agree with this, in a fashion. We love guns but we want ever other hunter in our raids to use a bow. Thus we can easily identify our shots by sound and adjust our shot-rotation that much more easily.)
Fact: If you’re a dwarf, a gun is usually your best choice because of the racial bonus. If you’re a troll, a bow is. All other hunters should use the highest-DPS ranged weapon they can find that most effectively enhances their talent spec.
Nayamé, if you were to say, “I’ve done some research and Hawk Eye improves my DPS by 5%,” then that would be a fact we could challenge and perhaps convince you was inaccurate. But instead you state that you love Hawk Eye. Well that is an emotional issue and we probably aren’t going to be unable to sway you otherwise, but here we go.
If you want to to inflict the most damage possible, you’ll respec to 41/20/0 and ignore Serpent Sting. Just take it off your action bar entirely. Also, dumping three points into Hawk Eye for a 41/17/3 build reduces your Mortal Shots talents to 3/5 and decreases your bonus crit damage from 30% to 18%. This is truly a terrible trade-off.
Should you respec? Depends on what you want to accomplish. If you want to do max-damage, then yes you should. If you just want to do more damage while keeping the spec and talents you love, then no you shouldn’t.
Just don’t ask us to convince you that your feelings are wrong. We’ve been married for over eleven years; we know a trap when we see one. 
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I have to wonder about your thots on Hawk Eye. I know that for the MD pulls I am expected to do, that extra 6 yards really seems to help. Pulling Prince in Kara the other night was scary enuf at 41 yards. I shot just as soon as he came into range and he still seemed to start after me for a second before he went to the tank. I’d hate to have had to get even closer. Its pretty much the same story on the High King. I agree that the extra damage on crits would be nice but frankly your other advice has allowed me to climb to near the top of the damage charts on most raids and doing my job with MD pulls avoids wipes and thus contributes more to the group than 12% more damage on 23% of my shots.
You are proving BRKs point, Mudge. For you, feeling safer during a pull is worth sacrificing 3/5 Mortal Shots. Everyone needs to spec in the way that gives them the most satisfaction. You can’t give your group/raid your best performance if you aren’t comfortable with your spec. If that means sacrficing a little damage, don’t worry about it.
BRK is right. Hawk Eye is not needed for PvE. You can pull anything and be ok without it.
I could see Hawk Eye being helpful for PvP, getting more distance on kiting your enemies… but that’s a different story.
I noticed i pull aggro on mobs i need to pull when i dropped Hawk Eye aswell, just on the moving ones this is an issue ofcourse.
It takes some getting used too but i’m pretty sure i don’t need it.
(perhaps on the adds in 3rd phase of Vashj as someone mentioned to me, hopefully i’ll found out in a few weeks)
I agree on the fact that you should spec the way you want to and not just the way everyone else is. I am a MM hunter and I am still one of if not the highest (other than a epic’d out rouge) dps in our guild. I top the damage the charts every night. We haven’t been too far sure, we have down’d all but 2 bosses in kara but, at the rate I go and being the only hunter in the group usually I dont like depending on my cat for my damage. I have enough on my plate setting traps, guarding the clothies and trying to do as much as I can. On top of that our healers go through hell just keeping everyone alive so I do not get mad when they dont heal the pet frankly, I would rather have that heal myself and keep going revive and toss him back in like he was in a dog fight. So really spec the way you play. Do what you want not just because it is the highest dps b/c seriously you are going to run into things now and agian and you are gonna want to feel comfortable.
I’d like to say it’s all about the DPS. From a raid-leader perspective, it most surely is…
Play your MMO RPG for fun. Play it because you LIKE the spec and LOVE Hawk Eye. 41 Yards is a nice bit of pudding to have on the side. I had a talk with some of the hunters on PTR who regularly raid Black Temple and have finished the raid content of the Outlands. Their guild all transferred over and they were equipped very nicely. ( Real endgame 5 days a week raiding kinda guys. ) They flatly stated that Hawk Eye isn’t necessary for any boss - I have to believe them. These guys were professional and we tore up Zul’Aman. Good times.
Back to point. You like playing a MM. Can’t say I blame ya. Scatter shot + Silence shot are HAX. The extra extra range is also HAX. You do big hits and your damage + trap reliability are also a huge plus. Why leave that utility for a raw DPS 41/20 build? Because the numbers are better. White damage defines us. Sure your crit is 30%. Sure you currently top out at 2500 Atk. You’re still not doing more than if you would spec BM and use a DPS pet on cobra reflexes. My dps went up slightly, shifting from 0/41/20 to 41/20/0. My pet’s dps more than doubled.
Collectively, you can burst up to big numbers using Rapid fire. With a BM spec you get Rapid fire + Bestial Wrath to rain unholy amounts of bullets, teeth, and claws upon your foe. Sure it’s more damage credited to an NPC. That’s pride, Butch. Get over it.
Look at the bottom line. Your raid kills stuff faster. Both of you do more damage. What’re the drawbacks? It’s a new play style. You have to constantly keep a pet alive. The pet management is more demanding. You will have to keep tossing out a renew to Mr. Cuddles. Since it’s no longer a channeled skill… it’s cake. Respec him for 10s against arcane for the Curator. Recall him on Aran explosions. Healers have to track 4 other players health bars and keep themselves alive. You can manage two.
In exchange, you get big returns with +2% All damage, +3% Party damage from FI, 20% faster attack, and 4% better hit rate on your pet. These FAR outweigh NOT having him around and in the fight. These are fixed bonuses that add up to bigger numbers. Throw in Bestial Wrath every couple minutes and that Improved Aspect of the Hawk and you’re getting MAD numbers on boss fights.
This next line will truly bend your noodle. KEEP your spec. Don’t be a slave to the damage meter. Play what you like and enjoy the game. Knowing what does top damage and being a good MM hunter aren’t the same. Earlier, they were. I’ll take a professional MM over a clumsy BM any day. If you’re able to push your spec out to its fullest, keep on doing what ya do.
“Fact: The highest PvE-DPS spec is Beastmaster.”
I don’t think you can make this statement. (at least yet).
Fact: Beastmastery provides the highest paperdoll dps.
Fact: For your current guild/progression/gear, BM is likely the highest pve dps.
Fact: In my guild, the highest dps (Kara/Gruul) hunter is in fact survival.
HOLD ON THERE CHARLIE. Yes. It is true. Although his paperdoll shows like 300 dps, his dmg output is extremely high, much higher than similar geared MM and BM hunters.
Before you start screaming schenanigans(!) — I beg you to put together a set that has over 800 unbuffed agility. Raid buffed to over 1000 agi and 45% crit. Spec pve only survival talents and MM through crit buffs.
I’ve been a long time reader (and fan) so I am pretty sure this is a scenario that you haven’t compared against (yet).
I’m not saying you are wrong, but it is quite possible your FACT might be a little inaccurate. I do agree, in 95% of kara/gruul geared hunters will do higher dmg as BM — but just contemplate the above example as a possible higher dps build, if you would. I’d love to see it done.
If you want, I could provide an armory link.
Why do people continue to call the pet an NPC? It is not. And NPC can’t be controlled in any way, the pets and minions (we have to include lock pets in this) are all controlable.
If you really want to name them something it should be LPC, Limited Playable Character.
If they were NPCs they would be like the Shaman Elementals, Engineering Dragonlings, escort quest NPCs, ect ect. With those you only control one thing, the time when they arrive.
I am actually the hunter that Wek is talking about. I am our raid leader on my druid and my hunter. Currently, the only person who out dps’s me in our raids is our rogue… sometimes.
I took a different approach. I went entirely pve and sacrificed pvp with all but entrapment and surefooted
I currently put out around 1200 dps, and considering we have yet to kill any SSC / TK bosses I am very satisfied with that.
I reach 1110 agility raid buffed, giving a very nice 280 AP to the other say… 8-10 physical dps’ers.
My crit chance is 58.5% in a raid, and only going to go higher with some S3 stuff.
Due to my high crit chance, I decided to use a wind serpent with GftT, an extra 200 damage per crit, coupled with pet white damage, coupled with kill command 24/7 (which, i confess, i need to use more of) puts out a ton of damage.
By carefully making use of the rapid killing talent and readiness, over a 6 minute boss fight I can use Rapid fire 5 times. RF Rd RF (3 min) RF (3min) RF Rd RF
Now, I’m not trying to bash Beast Mastery, I have tried it, and it was effective no doubt, but I found it to be EXTREMELY boring. I figured I’d shed some light on the benefits of a ridiculously one sided pve survival build.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Spectras
There’s me.
P.S. Please don’t make fun of my lack of professions, Wek does that enough.
FACT- Improved Stings rock for arena.
“Just don’t ask us to convince you that your feelings are wrong. We’ve been married for over eleven years; we know a trap when we see one. :)”
This was truly the best part of this post.
Disclaimer: I hate Serpent Sting, and it bugs me to no end when I see people using it in it’s current state.
However, stings *are* going to be changing. Lately I’ve been too bored with WoW to look into it, but I know the damage output will be getting a nice buff. So, I think it seems a little counter-productive to be so anti-sting right now when the situation may be radically changed shortly.
Spectras,
Nice. I had thought about trying Surv, once I can get my agility up high enough to do it, but we have a survival hunter now and just picked up another 70 hunter. So, we’ll see what we need when I get to 70.
I hate to bring up the fact that you have a sonic spear. BRK will hate you now.
I love my Sonic Spear
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Kwazimoto
With my Guild falling apart and no longer Raiding Kara, I think I might respec BM again. Cyboarg (the lvl 70 “Rotting Agam’Ar” from RFK) could use some loving.
@ The surv folks -
Is surv more fun? Sure you really need to balance your readiness usage to get the most rapid fire uptime.
Does surv put out a sick raid buff? Yup if geared right EW is up all day and is a huge AP benefit to the raid. Depending on your raid makeup the DPS a surv hunter gives others will make up for his lower dps compared to a BM,
Does surv top the meters? No if you have a competent BM hunter in your guild he will out DPS you if he is in the same level gear. You’re stating that you have 1100agil raid buffed and this leads me to think you out gear the other hunters. Hitting that level requires the gruul gloves(or leather atumen) as well as the DLK pants and many other “best in slot” items for surv. Our surv raid buffer when i was raiding hit 1033 agil buffed in raid. He would sling out a nice respectable 900dps and come in second most every fight. With his EW? I would click out to the tune of 1100dps. If your BMers are dropping to surv hunters they need more gear or to learn to stop macroing and use a replacement cycle.
As far as the emotional attachment to scatter etc builds. Yea going back to pvp and having scatter and hawkeye has made me feel more huntery.
About serpent stings. unless your steady shot hits for 660 this is a valid shot to use in replacement. Its mana intensive but its usable.
To me, the best part about going 0/41/20 is that my traps are rarely (almost never) resisted and they last longer.
When I was BM (41/2000)in Kara & heroics and a trap broke (and they do quite often on those mobs), I was in trouble.
As a MM/SV pve specced hunter I almost never have to ruin a run with resisted traps.
I just can’t imagine you BM guys are always doing well with your CC in Kara and heroics (and beyond).
OMG I just knew this was going to blow up to another WHO HAS THE BIGGEST &&^^& contest like everyone here like to make it…raath I have to go with wek on this man depending on gear and progresion BM does not always do the best…..
I think the added resists makes the game a little more exciting. Sure its annoying when you get two in a row in heroics and drops like a stone. But I like trying to figure out what the hell im gonna do with that mob for the next 10 secnods or so. Should I throw my pet on him to intimidate first and try and get range. Do I have time to conc. shot it THEN intimidate when it gets closer?
I think these things make the game much more interesting than if I knew I could rely on my traps pretty much 100%. Now I’m not saying that trapping in Surv. is EX MODE - I’m sure you still have to work some things out on the rare resist. Just for me personally, I think the resists adds just a bit more excitement.
@Anonymous right above me - I usually dont have much of a problem in heroics and Kara. Normally I have my trap set with the cool down up before the pull. If the trap is resisted I am immediately able to drop another. Subsequent traps after this could cause a problem depending how much distance I can get on that mob. But if thats the case I’ll normally just call out that my mob needs to be killed next instead of the sap or whatever. usually once the sap breaks my trap will be ready to go again and I can trap that mob as its running to the rogue.
I understand that Serpent sting is a waste of Mana, but didn’t you also tell us that any mana left in our bar at the end of the fight is a waste? I very rarely end a fight completely out of mana, so wouldn’t it be better to squeeze that little bit of extra damage out of my mana bar?
On most trash pulls I tend to put a sting on everything that is being tanked, then start DPS on the main target. This does a few things. First, it means I am damaging all the mobs at one time. Second, it gives the tank more time to get aggro before I lay in, ensuring that I don’t pull aggro. Third, it keeps me on the threat list of all the mobs, so if the mob CC’s the tank they come after me rather than the healer.
Currently, it is the first thing you should eliminate if you are running out of mana, but it is not useless. Post patch it will become more useful.
As to BM v.s. MM v.s. SV: Playing Solo, I think I agree that BM does more damage. With a raid, it depends on your group. I travel with mostly casters, so FI gives the raid a much bigger buff than TSA or EW. If I were in a group of physical damage people, it would be a different story. I know that I do more damage myself than an equally geared MM hunter (12-1 in no-pet, no move, hunter v.s. hunter duel), and my pet certainly does more damage, so I would say that my raid slot puts out more damage than a MM hunter. Which spec does better depends more on the raid that you are traveling with.
@Everyone, but quoting Shifttusk (even though I think he realizes this):
Does surv top the meters? No if you have a competent BM hunter in your guild he will out DPS you if he is in the same level gear.
Doesn’t that depend on the raid construction?
If the raid has an Arms/Fury Warrior, 2 Cat druids, 3 hunters, 3 rogues, an ENH shaman, a ret pali, and 3 tanks I can guarantee that the SURV hunter is >>>>> the BM hunter. 250AP * 17 = “a hell of a lot of DPS”.
Look folks, “topping the meters” DOES NOT EQUAL “best raid contribution”. Warlocks cast Curse of Shadows for a reason, even though CoA or CoD would increase their personal DPS.
Another nice “hidden” benefit to EW is that the extra damage is subject to threat modifiers - a rogue getting 250 extra AP ~= 36 extra DPS = 25 TPS. A warrior tank getting that same 250 AP ~= 25 extra DPS = 36 extra TPS. The survival hunter is raising the threat ceiling for the entire raid. Can the BM hunter do that?
I always check to see if Shift has made a comment I was going to make before hand. Thanks for the sensible posts.
In this case, he’s already covered most of what I was going to say.
Serp Sting is a valid shot, it just doesn’t scale at it’s current state, so if you are a lesser geared hunter who can’t hit 600+ on steady, use serp. Serp also adds dps on fights where you have to run. I sting serp on lurker before diving into the water, Gruul before ground slams, etc…. It’s another way to maximize your dps.
As a marks, I push 800 dps in T4 gearing for a 10 minute fight (850 or so if I get a druid in my group). My personal dps is about 680 of that and about 120 coming from my pet that I manage. It’s not BM pet’s crazy dps numbers, but that 120 get’s me above the hump from finishing 5 or 6th to finishing top 3. I can’t understand MM hunters who neglect their pets. If you use WWS, you’ll see the difference a pet makes on damage.
MM hunters make a frame of reference to dps based on damage meters that doesn’t take in to account pet damage and on fights that are short where they can arcane/multishot to their heart’s content. In one of the first posts on this thread, his point of reference is that he’s fought 2 fights in Kara. You have yet to have your eyes opened to the possibilities of a BM hunter and much more learning to do.
Stings, hawkeye, MM, scatter shot… the reason I stay MM is for PVP/Arena. Personal preference. I’ve gone from finishing first in dps to about 3rd or 4th in meters in 25 man raids, but it’s still respectable and I’m enjoying my hunter outside of raids. My suggestion is to retain MM if your life isn’t all about raids. If it’s all about raid dps, respec BM, because giving up all those things mean very little in raids.
I have to say that I used to love Hawk Eye too, but when I switched over to BM I ended up dropping it. It took a few days to get used to the decreased range, but it was totally worth it. I can drop groups of mobs 2 or 3 levels over me without breaking a sweat. And (I know dps isn’t everything, but…) the past couple pugs I’ve been in both me and my cat were consistently in the top 3 on DamageMeters (buggy as it is), combined the two of us tend to leave the rest of the group in the dust…
Once again, I’m going to bring up the Scorpid Sting issue. Don’t use it in a raid.
Our MT has chewed people out for putting it up… very loudly chewed people out.
Your tank WANTS to get hit. Often. As much as possible. In the face so it hurts. He needs to be pissed off to generate rage so he can generate and maintain aggro.
Maybe for keeping your pet up while soloing, it’s ok, but if your healers are having a hard time keeping your tank up without a Scorpid Sting applied… they need to step up their skills.
Don’t stunlock your targets, don’t scorpid sting your targets. Let your tank tank the beating he/she wants. Let them keep their rage bar full… easily.
Pelides,
Scorpid stings and overall avoidance has it’s use. I’m not sure if your tank has tanked Hydross, but in theory he should be swapping out his block rating and block value based gears for more avoidance. Also, if your tank is all that worried about having avoidance, 1) I hope he didn’t waste any ilevel points in any of his gearing for things that give avoidance and 2) I hope he can keep himself up in fights where healers have to run around a bit and where there are aoe silence situations. It’s just ridiculous to me that a warrior would say he doesn’t want added avoidance. If he’s having rage issues as an MT in TBC, then he’s too well geared for the damn fight and should strip nakkid or adjust his gearing to accommodate.
5 seconds in to most boss fights, you aren’t going to have a problem with rage as a tank. Now threat reducing knockbacks etc… are different story.
wow … there is so much wrong info here in these replys ….
@BRK
how do you deal with this everyday …. same old arguments, people talking when they should be listening …. guys barely clearing Kara telling end game guys whats what …. they don’t even know they just cleared lvl 1 … in a 99 lvl game.
Kudos to you for keeping your sanity ….. or have you?
lol
@ J
I refuse to use Scorpid not so much for the tank’s sake as for the raid’s sake. I want to make sure the tank is getting nailed constantly, is constantly filled with rage… to keep upstart rogues, mages and locks in check.
I might throw one up on Gruul after growth 10 to ease some of the pain and usually no one is going to be in aggro grab range at that point.
We haven’t taken down Hydross yet and if the strat calls for a scorpid sting, I’ll use it. If not… I’m gonna let my tank do what he does best… get hit in the face repeatedly and get pissed… easily.
Anything to make sure he has the rage to fend off the pesky rogues and casters who are notorious for just not caring about aggro.
Pelides,
I don’t personally use scorpid stings for every fight. As you said, as gruul gets big as a room, that’s when I cycle in scorpid. I don’t use it on trash clears, etc… so I guess we don’t disagree. Also don’t bother using it on fights where the tank really doesn’t need it either.
The frame of reference is on fights like our first few attempts on Nightbane or hydross for me. Tanks were pushing the envelope on those fights and needed every mitigation possible. The Hydross fight doesn’t really require a scorpid sting, but the tanks can’t block hydross’ attacks so they typically swap out block related gearing with stuff like boots of elusion which gives you dodge etc…
So after thinking about it… we are in agreement I think : )
Interesting build with spectras’s gems. Stack enough +8AGI gems and you can actually get to 1000AGI with Kara and Gruul gear.
The 5 Rapid fires in 7 minute rotation would work. Combined with a sick number of crits and EW… you could do 1100 DPS.
My love for the 0/41/20 build. Silence shot + Scatter shot + big damage + Low-resist traps.
My love for the 0/20/41 build.
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just kidding.
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It has to be the Readiness / Rapid fire combo and the mad crit rate. One weakness is that the build lacks some trap-resistance talents.
@2ndworst,
Wow I wish people would stop acting like there is only one talent build for this class. If that was the case Blizzard wouldn’t have given us three seperate talent trees to put points in.
Play what works for you and suits your style. All three trees are viable and all three are different.
Well first off I’d like to say BRK, great site and you represent us BM hunters quite well! I for one though stick with a 41/18/2 build. Only reason being is due to the unpredictability of player movement. I find that if you have added dps range on a moving target you’re going to be able to do more damage that way then you would with the little bit of extra crit dmg on an already highly resilience geared target. Anyway, if you get the chance or are bored enough I’m open to comments on my ramblings about the world of BM hunters. Take care!
O_o my brain hurts and my eyes are bleeding from all the D**k waving.
Mommie make the bad man go away.
Pick a build any build. Your gear and ability will make you what you are. If you suck then you suck and your DPS will show it. If you Rock then it will again show it.
Player ability + Play style + Encounter (Your role will change every encounter) + Gear = DPS
Talent build is just the paramaters for how you get there. Important but not your lynch pin as a rule.
Do you like playing with your pet, shooting at things, or getting up close and personal?
In essence thats what the differences are in our talents.
I like BRK’s build out. Its nice for leveling and I don’t want to play the respec game right now. Later I will do that and settle into something that I can Raid/EXP/PvP in.
FACT: Improved sting (especially viper) ROCKS in PvP(said before, now said again)
I loved that last line.
So, BRK, do these pants make my butt look big?
But everyone avoided my question…can you trap well enough in Kara/Heroics (that is the level I am on presently) with 41/20? I ask cause if you get a lot of resists the whole group suffers.
as beastmaster i trap fine in heroics/kara. veeery occasionally i may get resisted, but my trap cooldown is usually up with help of the 2set beastlord bonus (-4sec traps) so i can give it another go.. plus… its so fun when chaos breaks! >:)
I love BM for PVP.
Am I the best? no.
Will I be the best? maybe, but I’m not holding my breath.
Will my Arena team ever crack 1700? no idea.
Do I have fun unleashing my BIG RED PET? hell yeah!
I tried MM for a weekend and I saw why people like it for pvp. But on Monday morning I switched back to BM. What’s the point of playing a spec you don’t enjoy or feel comfortable with? Who cares if everyone says this is what PVPers spec. It’s a game, it’s fun. Try new things and improve. But for god sake, enjoy it.
@Z-man
thats what i always have said …..if you read more than just this thread, you would know i advocate choice.
but if you decide to play MM then don’t be hatein when I don’t invite you to SSC/TK/MH cause we got stronger dps from BM, SV, or clothies, thus more success for the raid. dude, most top guilds only take one or two hunters to their raids …. u better be the best.
for all i care you can totally outfit your hunter and spec melee ….. or even show up with 17k hp … i will think that’s cool in it’s own way but unless it’s a boss we have on farm, ur still not getting in my raid.
again i say, if your forming your opinion on your weak guild (like Wek)or on farming kara and thinking your guild is the shit, your in for a reality check ahead.
please note: i am talking from a PvE perspective …. PvP, MM is still the spec of choice.
is this clear enough yet Z-man?
how many different “anonymous” do we have there? my head hurts…
many!
perhaps just one
What is this with stunlock, stings and aggro? I have raised this in my guild (Full Kara and 90% of Gruul!!) and (all) the Tanks response is a firm:
“Love that 5% etc, really helps. And no these days I don’t need to get hit all the time for rage! If I cannot tank here with that on the mob then I deserve to drop. Just bang it on and save the healers that extra 5%….”
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2ndworst said…
but if you decide to play MM then don’t be hatein when I don’t invite you to SSC/TK/MH cause we got stronger dps from BM, SV, or clothies, thus more success for the raid. dude, most top guilds only take one or two hunters to their raids …. u better be the best.
That goes both ways. If you’re mocking and dismissing people based off their spec, that’s cool for your raid. If that leads you to bring a technically proper BM that fails to push the limits of his class and spec, and leave a MM or Surv hunter that is making his build dance… don’t be ‘hatein’ when your rival guilds grab a superb player, and you get a ‘technically proper’ huntard.
But hey, it’s all choices, right?
Maybe it works for other classes? But not so much hunters. There are /so/ many more variables in choosing a good raid setup and class balance, and picking a skilled player instead of a Flavor-of-the-month Template-wonderkund that dismissing a hunter based off his spec is a loss in the long run.
But, hey. It’s your $15 a month, so take your pick.
@2ndworst
I’m sorry I didn’t realize your opinion was the only right one.
Now it is perfectly clear.
With an elitist attitude like that I wouldn’t want to run an instance with you either.
I’m here to have fun with friends. No one is perfect. But we still don’t have any issues clearing kara, downing gruul, and working on BT.
Again there is nothing wrong with any of the three specs. As long as you understand how to play it. (but you don’t have to be the best) If you are a complete noob it doesn’t matter how you spec.