How To "WoW Web Stats"
Step 1. Go to http://www.wowwebstats.com/, read everything - we’re not going to reproduce everything they’ve written; that would be silly - and sign up for a non-paid account. Now we’ll agree that the instructions for working with reports are lacking, but the setup information is pretty cut-and-dry.
Step 2. Launch WoW and enable your combatlog. The command is /combatlog to turn it on and /combatlog to turn it of again, but please get an automatic combatlog addon. We love CLSaver and some people love Loggerhead. Whatever.
Step 3. Go fight something and record your combatlog.
Step 4. Get out of combat, launch the WWS Java applet.
Step 5. Open the Configuration tab and plug in yer info:
Don’t worry about the log roller, don’t worry about the HTML reports, (we’re not going to use them now).
Step 6. Load your combatlog by opening the Logs and Report tab and clicking the Add Log button:
Find your combatlog in your WoW Logs folder and click the Choose button.
Step 7. Enter your name, please, and click OK.
Step 8. Open the Actors tab and click the Auto-Update button.
Step 9. This next message ain’t whistling Dixie, partner.
Your Actors are going to be a mess. The hardest part about generating a good WWS report is getting your actors correct.
In the next picture you can see that WWS listed Sashara as a Mob. Pffft; she’s our Main Tank, a feral Druid. We have to click on the Mob text and select Druid. You’ll have to go through the entire list and correct the Mob/player character issues, and fix the Pets, too.
See our pets? Shaman, Warlocks, Hunters, Priests, and everybody else seems to have some frickin’ pet of some kind. The pets will practically never be assigned correctly. Fix the pets and get those Hunter-pets assigned correctly, at a minimum.
Also, WoW Web Stats does not believe that Paladins can have pets, but in this Kara run our Holy Pally had a Woeful Healer. She’s a Pet but we cannot assign her to a Paladin. Oh well, life goes on.
Step 10. Go back to the Logs & Reports tab and click the Host button. Things will whir and bubble and BAM your Internet browser will open and POOF your report shall appear.
Notice how there are thirteen actors? This is because we swapped out people during the run and all their data from all the trash and bosses is mixed and congealed into one big-bad-bama-mama report. What we want is to break this down by boss fight.
Click on the Split link and choose a boss fight. We’re going to choose our Illhoof kill.
And here is our Illhoof kill. Notice how we only have ten actors now? The report keeps track of all this info extremely well.
Player: pretty obvious.
Pres.: Presence - If you are out of combat or not “doing something”, this column will show that. For example, our Shaman was caught in the Demon Chains, we think twice, so he was held inactive for some time. While he was chained he wasn’t healing or DPSing, thus his Presence was affected. Now while we were trapped in the chains, Hobbes kept attacking; our Presence kept ticking. The mages got sacrificed but they ice-blocked or something out of the chains, thus their Presence was almost 100%, too.
Dmg. Out: How much total-damage people did.
%Out: An individual’s percentage of the total-damage for this fight. Added together, the individual %Outs should equal 100%
Out: Graphical representation of your damage versus everybody else. Magnitude!
DPS: Ah ha… your damage over time. If your mage blasts the boss at the start of the fight with a 6000-crit then gets squashed, his DPS will be very high but his Dmg Out will be very low. Neither DPS nor Dmg Out tells as big a story individually as they do when shown together.
DPS Time: Different than Presence in that this is specifically how much of the fight you spent doing damage as opposed to “doing something”. If Hobbes is beside us and we throw a Mend Pet on him, our Presence is being updated but our DPS Time is not.
% In: How much of the total damage the raid endured that you personally took.
% Heal: How much of the total healing the raid delivered that you personally delivered.
Now let’s take a look at ourselves by clicking on our own name, Bigredkitty. The screen will refresh and show us our own, detailed stats.
See how it shows our Abilities along with our pet’s? Pretty spiffy. And OMG look! Remember when we equipped that new ring, wondered if our +Hit was too low, and thought we might start missing shots? Sure enough, we have. We missed 0.7% of our shots against Illhoof. Why that’s an outrage!
But, um… just how many shots did we actually miss? Well, see that little blue “+” next to the word “Config”? Click it.
Now WWS shows us tremendous detail in our Abilities. We missed one shot, we Crit on 64 shots, and we hit 81 shots.
81 + 64 + 1 = 146
and one miss out of 146 shots is
1 / 146 = 6.849315e-03, or 0.006849315, or 0.007, or 0.7%
Very nicely done, WWS.
We can look at the same data for Melee for Hobbes, too. What’s super-spiffy is seeing that Hobbes’s regular-ole Melee attacks account for 26% of our total damage. Keeping your pet alive is amazingly critical, isn’t it; that’s a lot of damage!
So what else can we do? We can compare inter-classes. For example, on Illhoof we had two mages. Let’s compare their combat data:
We’ve got a frost-spec mage and a fire-spec mage, don’t we. In this fight, the frost-mage out-DPS’d the fire mage; not something we’d expect. Perhaps the fire-mage was doing something wrong, perhaps the frost-mage was more-powerfully geared than the fire-mage, we honestly have no idea; this was a Kara-PUG and we don’t know these fine folks.
However, in your raid and with people you do know and gear you know they have, it can be pretty easy to see who is outperforming whom. And if the wrong people are doing more damage, then you know you have an issue that needs to be addressed.
Now you can also see another inherent problem with the WWS system: the inability to assign “generic” pets to individuals. We had two frost mages in this raid at different times, but they both summon the same “Water Elemental”.
If you have two frost mages in your raid, either one mage is going to get credit for both elementals - as is what happened here - or you can set the elementals to be assigned to nobody, like we just did with the Woeful Healer. In either case, your Mages’ data is going to be messed up. Watch out for this when your raid has multiple Shadow Priests, Shaman, or any other multiples of classes that have non-distinct pets.
How about we look at pet-data now. Although we don’t have two hunters in this raid, this is a great way to compare different pets, say a ravager with Gore versus a cat with Claw, or a hunter with a cat and Bestial Discipline and a hunter with a cat and doesn’t have Bestial Discipline.
Should we break down Hobbes’s data? Oh yeah; we’re hunters and every spec should be concerned with the damage one’s pet brings to a fight.
Take a look at the bottom of that picture and find the Buffs & Debuffs window. See how it looks like Hobbes proc’d Ferocious Inspiration twelve times? That’s not correct; that’s just twelve times we “gained” the FI buff, not the number of times that FI proc’d. If we had FI up and Hobbes proc’d FI again, that doesn’t count as a “gain”.
How many times did Ferocious Inspiration proc? Well, for that we just need to know how many times Hobbes crit. We can see that by looking at the details of Hobbes’ data.
Hobbes Melee crit 22 times, his Claw crit 22 times, and his Kill Command crit 4 times. That’s 48 crits and thus 48 Ferocious Inspiration procs.
What about Frenzy? Hobbes “gained” Frenzy thirteen times, but how many times did it proc while Hobbes had it cooking already?
Since we have 4/5 in Frenzy, that means 80% of those 48 crits resulted in Frenzy-procs.
22 + 22 + 4 = 48
48 * 0.8 = 38.4
We can estimate that we had 38-39 FI procs during that fight, (let’s call it 39 if for no other reason than Hobbes is Uber). Since we “gained” Frenzy thirteen times, that means Hobbes proc’d Frenzy-on-top-of-Frenzy 26 times. Pretty nice!
So that’s our introduction to WoWWebStats. There’s a lot more stuff that you can look at, analyze, and use to make adjustments to your spec and play style.
Dig in!
Edit: There’s a lot of information here and we may decide to update/modify this post over the next couple of days. We posted this at 11:03 and for the past 30 minutes we’ve been tweaking it non-stop.





Anonymous on 10 Nov 2007 at 4:45 pm #
Thanks BRK! As a BM Hunter who’s doing Kara for his first time this week, this should really help me find out exactly how I’m doing so much more damage than the other (MM) Hunter in our group.
smgeier on 10 Nov 2007 at 4:56 pm #
In the part where you’re discussing your Miss%, WWS states you missed .7% of your shots, but then you do the math and come up with .07%. What’s going on there?
BRK on 10 Nov 2007 at 5:13 pm #
That was a typo.
1/100 = 0.01 = 1%
1/146 = 0.007 = 0.7%
We mistyped the zeros, but the post is now corrected. Thank you!
2ndworst on 10 Nov 2007 at 5:27 pm #
nice breakdown brk
v2 is buggy right now and the developer was away for a few weeks.
we went back to v1 where you have to go in and manually trim the combatlog file in notepad. if you don’t, it will get stuck autoupdating actors at approx 36%.
v2 spoiled us as it did all that for you.
and don’t forget to delete/rename the file before the raid or you’ll be there scrolling through notepad forever.
Anonymous on 10 Nov 2007 at 5:45 pm #
ermm… I hear about ‘range’ being important to get everyone captured by combat log… ring a bell?
but thx regardless… took a first shot at Dr Boom to get a general idea about DPS I’m doing and was hand editing the combat log and adding up all dmg and figuring how much time before I went OOM and… yeah… will give this a try asap…
Sayth on 10 Nov 2007 at 6:18 pm #
Hi BRK!
You have mixed up Ferocious Inspiration and Frenzy.
Please double check the last part of your post!
Fueled on 10 Nov 2007 at 7:22 pm #
Daniel you are a LEGEND thank you for this easy guide as iv always been intrested in these stats but as much as i read up on them i could neve figure out how to use this but now i see what has to be done so thank you very much and keep the great work up
Fueled
BRK on 10 Nov 2007 at 7:42 pm #
We totally messed up! Yes, we got FI and Frenzy conjoinerboozled. We’ll fix that as soon as we can, thank you!
BRK on 10 Nov 2007 at 7:58 pm #
“ermm… I hear about ‘range’ being important to get everyone captured by combat log… ring a bell?”
You can extend the range from which your combatlog captures data. This makes a more accurate report as you collect more data.
We use CLSaver to automatically extend our combatlog range to 200 yards. When we compare our WWS report to someone else’s from our 25-man raids, we see no differences in the collected data greater than 5%. That’s pretty accurate for our purposes.
However, WoWWebStats does allow you to import multiple combatlogs. If you collect your combatlog and someone else in your raid sends you their combatlog, you can use the WWS Java applet to merge the combatlogs to produce a more accurate report.
We think we’ve fixed the FI/Frenzy part of the post. No more updates, we’re working today!
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/delta/d329/mstgallery/
Anonymous on 10 Nov 2007 at 8:54 pm #
OMG - Daniel, you are yummy but how do you find the time to do all this? You are a Dad/husband/work full time/and a close friend - when do you get WoW time like this?
Anonymous on 10 Nov 2007 at 10:21 pm #
Excellent ebayer, AAA+++++++ will buy from again.
Seriously, BRK, this is so good it’s beyond awesome.
Freejack on 10 Nov 2007 at 11:33 pm #
Thx a ton for this, BRK. I’ve only recently starting caring about stats, but every meter that gets posted in raid has different readings from different sources. I took stab at WWS, but the documentation is not real intuitive for your average Joe Pew-pewer. Can you sticky this post?
BRK on 11 Nov 2007 at 4:57 am #
We sticked it in our BRK Hunter Training List. /woot!
Anonymous on 11 Nov 2007 at 12:50 pm #
My biggest thing as the raid organizer for my guild is to get people to read the freaking logs. We post them every time we raid and still, some people don’t use them. There’s so much information that is in there, and it’s so helpful but…the people who’s DPS is sub-par are often the ones who don’t take it upon themselves to read this stuff. I dunno, should I offer them cookies or something?!?!
Kailen on 11 Nov 2007 at 1:27 pm #
This post was really helpful, but my problem is that I can’t seem to find where the logs go. I thought I did, but there was nothing there.
Maybe I’m doing it wrong.
Felandra on 11 Nov 2007 at 5:29 pm #
Awesome… I remember when you mentioned you might do this kin of guide, it looked so great, and it IS.
Lovely.
The hit debate seems to be going in favour of a lot less hit, but one run is not enough. I’m looking forward to more reports so we can see more clear numbers.
2ndworst on 11 Nov 2007 at 5:44 pm #
@Anonymous
if folks have subpar dps and aren’t doing everything they can to fix it ….why are they still in your raid ….if you know they are lazy subpar and still bring then, then it’s your own fault.
if you bring them cause you have no one else, then recruit. if there’s no one to recruit, move guilds or servers.
imo
bernard on 11 Nov 2007 at 5:48 pm #
/salute
senzagakhona(EU) stormrage
Anonymous on 11 Nov 2007 at 5:50 pm #
“if folks have subpar dps and aren’t doing everything they can to fix it ….why are they still in your raid ….if you know they are lazy subpar and still bring then, then it’s your own fault.
if you bring them cause you have no one else, then recruit. if there’s no one to recruit, move guilds or servers.”
If you’ve never run a guild or organized raids, then that’s an easy statement to make. The sad truth is that at every level there are people who, well, err, SUCK. And it’s not always that easy to replace them. You could have a couple where one is just solid and wonderful and the other one is so bad you think it’s just an AFK fest even on a boss. Do you tell the one to get lost? You’ll lose the other.
Even if it’s not a couple, if you have a bunch of close friends and one or two suck, do you tell them all to leave?
And then there’s the scheduling problems: running a bunch of raid groups every week takes a great deal of coordination and cooperation. You lose one person and suddenly you’re sitting there going “now what”. Even on a high pop. server it can be rough to recruit.
So in summary, until you run a guild and/or organize raids, don’t think it’s that easy. Lots of this stuff is making due with a less than ideal situation. I spend some of my time trying to correct it and some of it dealing with people who are this close to having a tantrum because they were told that their gear sucks and they need to work on it.
Mudge-Uther on 11 Nov 2007 at 8:49 pm #
Kailen: The WoWcombat.log files show up in your WoW directory, subdirectory Logs. On a PC this should be
C:Program Files\World of Warcraft\Logs\wowcombatlog.txt
This file will not exist if you have never toggled a combat log ON.
The resulting WWS files go wherever you twll WSS in setup (mine are in
My Documents\WoW\WSS)
Also, you can always see the result with your browser by taking the HTML option. However the hosted option is more flxible cause you can process the entire combat log and then isolate specific fights on the host (which does a good job).
Mudge & BearToo; Uther Rum and Monkeys
Anonymous on 12 Nov 2007 at 5:59 am #
Another tip for WWS is to manually cut and paste into a next text file the respective entries from the combat log - that way you have ‘permament’ seperate combta logs for every Kara, Gruuls etc and you can go back and re-run a report if your free report has expired. This is especially if you are interested in comparing your performance over time.
P.S. Do not ignore the ‘checking’ actors part for 25mans as druid tanks get irate if they get counted as a mob.
PPS. Did you (BRK) ever resolve the 2/2 AH & 4/5 Frenzy versus 1/2 AH & 5/5 Frenzy debate ?
Rotseh on 12 Nov 2007 at 6:48 am #
Great posting, BRK.
As for the Conjured Water Elemental: That’s not Rainrain’s generic pet, it’s the Alliance (Medivh’s) chesspiece from the Kara Chess Event (cf. Browse Log File).
The generic pet of a mage is called just Water Elemental afaik.
BRK on 12 Nov 2007 at 1:59 pm #
Thanks Rotseh, that text is fixed. As we said, the hardest part of WWS is getting all the #&$^! pets properly assigned.
Rhust on 12 Nov 2007 at 4:06 pm #
damn, I wish I would have had this friday night… I had to figure this out at 2:30am after we downed prince(for the first time)
my guild website is down, and I can’t get to wowwebstats but the report is there…
short story:
11 deaths later, prince is down and yours truly has a sweet ass t4 helm
2ndworst on 12 Nov 2007 at 4:28 pm #
@Anonymous
so u “assume” i haven’t run a guild or organized raids …. where do u get this information? why would you even put that in print. making up erroneous information justifies your position? you are so used to telling that you can’t listen anymore? and if that doesn’t work then you just make up stuff ….lol.
you are in the spot your in because you’ve enabled the situation. you allow those folks to get away with that behavior period. because you don’t have the balls to do what needs to be done somehow makes the advice invalid and you “assume” i don’t have your lofty experience?
post your char nick and server and stop hiding behind Anonymous.
2ndworst on 12 Nov 2007 at 4:44 pm #
@Anonymous
and btw …it’s only tough to recruit if you or your guild suks ….we turn down no less than a doz apps/week ….
fyi
i understand the haveing friends in the guild thing, we have tons of those but you have to separate that to have the success raiding.
we are a mature casual guild(only raid 4 days week)but when it’s raid time we are as hardcore as anyone when we step into that instance.
we have gone through what your going through and i’m telling you thats it suks but that is what has to be done. Lay down the law or accept your position.
ps. interesting that you say they don’t take advice very well and here you are doing the same thing …. lol
Galoheart on 12 Nov 2007 at 5:07 pm #
Thanks for this nice post will find it helpfull.
Alan on 12 Nov 2007 at 6:27 pm #
Really helpful post, and glad you stickied it.
Now I am going to obsess about the mage comparison chart and why my mage can’t shoot lightning bolts.
Weezoh on 12 Nov 2007 at 7:20 pm #
Thanks! for posting this - I will definately try to set this up before our arenas this week. I’m a new to 70 hunter who has been following the BRK BM/MM spec but recently wanted to try to be burstier for the arenas. but I don’t think I have the agility to pull off SV just yet so am tinkering right now with a 41/5/15. and hopefully this will help me with analysis.
Anyone wants to suggest something feel free ( Weezoh’s Armory)
Gibbiex on 13 Nov 2007 at 12:43 am #
Just to state the obvious, this procedure/protocol works fine, thanks BRK! You de man.
Anonymous on 13 Nov 2007 at 2:03 pm #
Awesome post BRK. I read your blog regularly while I’m at work and can’t be playing, but rarely comment. I was anxiously awaiting your ‘WWS for idiots’ guide (not that your readers are idiots). Very excited to try this out on my own now. Thanks for posting it.
-Dennis (Alsacegual on Kalecgos US)
Galorfinor on 13 Nov 2007 at 2:25 pm #
Hey BRK, tried the procedure last night, just have one problem, couldn’t find the damn log. :(. I downloaded and unzipped CLSaver to the addon section of the WoW interface. Did /CLsaver toggle (combatlog on) while in AV BG lastnight. Toggled it again just before leaving AV (which the Allaince won, again ty). Logged out of WoW. Went to look for the log file in the path stated above (PC version) in the WoW log folder and nada, nothing. There were some logs that were about the downloader and some sound logs from the last patch but there just wasn’t a WoWcombatlog.txt.
I did a search on the whole computer for any *.txt file and found nothing. Anybody have any other idea where Blizz might hid the dang thing? Do I need to config the UI for anything?
I didn’t see anywhere were you could. Or could it be a hidden file?
Thanks for guide, now if I can just find the dang thing.
Desperate in Austin
PS oh, runnig Vista (Home version) so if anybody could help out how to show hidden files on that system that might help.
Galor & Maggie May
Eonar
2ndworst on 13 Nov 2007 at 5:42 pm #
@Galorfinor
i use vista, shouldn’t be hidden since it’s not a sys file.
worldofwarcraft/logs/wowcombatlog.txt
right under wowchatlogs.txt
i went with loggerhead cause clsaver was giving me trouble turning combatlog on and off. others use clsaver with no trouble but w/e.
maybe manually put the file in and in console type /combatlog go fight something and see what happens.
do you have clsaver turned on in addons …simple to forget.
what else, completely log out of game when adding, updating addons.
i got nothing else ….
Galorfinor on 13 Nov 2007 at 7:30 pm #
@2ndworst, yep I did have it turn on. The (green type) “Combatlog On” and (red) “Combatlog Off” shows when you toggle CLsaver. I even type the command /combatlog and it did text on the screen that it came on and again when it went off, still no file.
I’m thining it might be how I have the security setup in Vista. Every once and a while I’ll see a tip pop up saying that “Windows has stop an execution of a program”. Maybe it might be my Norton 360. There not much in setting up that program but you do have to dig in a few levels to customize the darn thing. I’m going to have a heck of time tonight with the patch because it doesnt let the Bliz Downloader work. Even when I have given it permission to do so.
Ugh 250 MB file download thru File Shack! Thank Elune for cable modems!lol!
Thanks for the advice 2ndworst I’ll try something after the HUGE download,lol
Good Hunting
Galor
Ashuna on 14 Nov 2007 at 3:30 pm #
Hi All,
Quick WWS question. When you look at a WWS report and it lists Attempts 1,2,3 etc. And a Kill on a particular boss. Does the person log out after each attempt and save or rename their log per attempt or do you just turn your combat log on at the start of an instance/fight and WWS sorts it all out?
Hedus on 14 Nov 2007 at 9:35 pm #
This is pretty inconsequential, but I’d speculate that the reason that your frost mage out-DPSed your fire mage was that the frost mage used Blizzard. I’m not savvy enough with these reports to tell how many times it was cast, or how much of a difference it really made, but I’m sure it factors in.
Freejack on 17 Nov 2007 at 4:09 am #
How is logging affected if you die and have to run back? Will your log lose or miss data if others in the raid are still fighting?
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Hi, just one question. Which FTP settings do you input there? this is the only piece of information I cannot actually fill-in myself.
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Luthiris on 11 Apr 2008 at 8:38 pm #
hey mate quick question every time i try to Auto-Update it works gets to 100% and then pops up wth an error message saying
Parsing error: C:/Program Files/World of Warcraft/Logs?WWWSLR-0408-2003-luthiris.zip
Please verify your language settings
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