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	<title>Comments on: Lrn2Rite and Bad Wishes Won&#8217;t Come True</title>
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		<title>By: DOOA</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/12/06/lrn2rite-and-bad-wishes-wont-come-true/#comment-11171</link>
		<dc:creator>DOOA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blorg, are you really suggesting I change out my Tsunami
http://thottbot.com/i30627
or my hourglass
http://thottbot.com/i28034
Then build a long fight set which I have never needed before and roll against priests, mages, warlocks for mana giving trinkets and rings?

and not tell Blizz I got nerfed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blorg, are you really suggesting I change out my Tsunami<br />
<a href="http://thottbot.com/i30627" rel="nofollow">http://thottbot.com/i30627</a><br />
or my hourglass<br />
<a href="http://thottbot.com/i28034" rel="nofollow">http://thottbot.com/i28034</a><br />
Then build a long fight set which I have never needed before and roll against priests, mages, warlocks for mana giving trinkets and rings?</p>
<p>and not tell Blizz I got nerfed?</p>
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		<title>By: Blorg</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/12/06/lrn2rite-and-bad-wishes-wont-come-true/#comment-11150</link>
		<dc:creator>Blorg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have mana trouble as a hunter, gear for mana regen and a larger mana pool. If you're having mana trouble on longer fights, look at your gear and build a 'long fights' set which favours mana regen over big headline numbers like RAP. The hellfire pvp trinket is easy to get and handy to have, for instance.

Also, carry a  dehydrated shadow priest with you at all times, and just add water before boss fights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have mana trouble as a hunter, gear for mana regen and a larger mana pool. If you&#8217;re having mana trouble on longer fights, look at your gear and build a &#8216;long fights&#8217; set which favours mana regen over big headline numbers like RAP. The hellfire pvp trinket is easy to get and handy to have, for instance.</p>
<p>Also, carry a  dehydrated shadow priest with you at all times, and just add water before boss fights.</p>
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		<title>By: DOOA</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/12/06/lrn2rite-and-bad-wishes-wont-come-true/#comment-11124</link>
		<dc:creator>DOOA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a bit surprised BRK accepts this heavy hunter nerf so easily. Assuming a ten minute fight and two FD/drink we are looking at best case scenario of
2x 7200 (Conjured Manna Biscuit)/10 minutes
14400/600 seconds
divide by 120 to get mp/5
120/mp5?
60/mp5 on shorter fights?
My real numbers are more like 30/mp5 as I don't drink to full.

If you were not running out of mana, kudos to you, kinda.
Your dps would have been higher with a less mana efficient rotation even though you were out of the fight 10% of the time. Timing when to FD/drink was crucial on certain big bosses and the key to maximum burst damage. We have lost a Hunter only perk and moved a step towards easy mode. I regret the loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a bit surprised BRK accepts this heavy hunter nerf so easily. Assuming a ten minute fight and two FD/drink we are looking at best case scenario of<br />
2x 7200 (Conjured Manna Biscuit)/10 minutes<br />
14400/600 seconds<br />
divide by 120 to get mp/5<br />
120/mp5?<br />
60/mp5 on shorter fights?<br />
My real numbers are more like 30/mp5 as I don&#8217;t drink to full.</p>
<p>If you were not running out of mana, kudos to you, kinda.<br />
Your dps would have been higher with a less mana efficient rotation even though you were out of the fight 10% of the time. Timing when to FD/drink was crucial on certain big bosses and the key to maximum burst damage. We have lost a Hunter only perk and moved a step towards easy mode. I regret the loss.</p>
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		<title>By: WyldKard</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/12/06/lrn2rite-and-bad-wishes-wont-come-true/#comment-10998</link>
		<dc:creator>WyldKard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Doomilias&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have no doubt that Water Shield has greatly increased the mana efficiency of Elemental Shamans, especially if they are receiving further mana throwback from Shadow Priests, Restoration Shammies, etc. However, their mana efficiency is still not great for sustained DPS, particularly since their last Elemental talent tree "nerf".&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At 70, in a raid environment, with pots, well geared Shammies do better these days than they ever have, but I still wouldn't place them on the pedestal for mana efficiency that the OP did. In fact, I'd say most other offensive caster specs do better in this area than Elemental Shammies.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@Anonymous&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps BRK is better off leaving "ranged" out of his statement, since his pet's damage is not ranged at all (ignoring that it's still ranged from the Hunter's perspective). Nonetheless, a BM Hunter will still have &lt;i&gt;more massive&lt;/i&gt; DPS than a Marks Hunter. Your response is only accurate when ignoring the pet's DPS.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BM may not improve the mana consumption of a Hunter's shot attacks, but his pet's damage is not mana dependent at all, and since BM talents buff this damage, it is false to say that nothing other than Beast Within buffs mana efficiency in the BM tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Doomilias</p>
<p>I have no doubt that Water Shield has greatly increased the mana efficiency of Elemental Shamans, especially if they are receiving further mana throwback from Shadow Priests, Restoration Shammies, etc. However, their mana efficiency is still not great for sustained DPS, particularly since their last Elemental talent tree &#8220;nerf&#8221;.</p>
<p>At 70, in a raid environment, with pots, well geared Shammies do better these days than they ever have, but I still wouldn&#8217;t place them on the pedestal for mana efficiency that the OP did. In fact, I&#8217;d say most other offensive caster specs do better in this area than Elemental Shammies.</p>
<p>@Anonymous</p>
<p>Perhaps BRK is better off leaving &#8220;ranged&#8221; out of his statement, since his pet&#8217;s damage is not ranged at all (ignoring that it&#8217;s still ranged from the Hunter&#8217;s perspective). Nonetheless, a BM Hunter will still have <i>more massive</i> DPS than a Marks Hunter. Your response is only accurate when ignoring the pet&#8217;s DPS.</p>
<p>BM may not improve the mana consumption of a Hunter&#8217;s shot attacks, but his pet&#8217;s damage is not mana dependent at all, and since BM talents buff this damage, it is false to say that nothing other than Beast Within buffs mana efficiency in the BM tree.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well:&lt;br/&gt;1.-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;can produce "massive" quantities of sustained ranged DPS&lt;/i&gt; &lt;br/&gt;BM do lot of sustained but not massive, thats the MM job.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2.-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;How mana-efficient are we as a BM hunter?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No talents others than The Beast Within when Bestial Wrath in a 2 minutes cooldown who last only 18 seconds improves mana eficience in the BeastMaster tree, so don't fool people sayin that BM improves yer mana, Marksmanship tree does, their Shot cost less, their Sings hit harder just to mention a few.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3.-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;What does a MM hunter have to do in terms of mana-regeneration in order to achieve similar results?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They do the same as a SV and a BM(nothing other than use Mana Oils), or BM have mana regen talents?.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a side note BRK u are a great master, avoid that kind of errors. &lt;br/&gt;I like more a BM with Ferocious Inspiration than the Trueshot Aura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well:<br />1.-<br /><i>can produce &#8220;massive&#8221; quantities of sustained ranged DPS</i> <br />BM do lot of sustained but not massive, thats the MM job.</p>
<p>2.-<br /><i>How mana-efficient are we as a BM hunter?</i><br />No talents others than The Beast Within when Bestial Wrath in a 2 minutes cooldown who last only 18 seconds improves mana eficience in the BeastMaster tree, so don&#8217;t fool people sayin that BM improves yer mana, Marksmanship tree does, their Shot cost less, their Sings hit harder just to mention a few.</p>
<p>3.-<br /><i>What does a MM hunter have to do in terms of mana-regeneration in order to achieve similar results?</i><br />They do the same as a SV and a BM(nothing other than use Mana Oils), or BM have mana regen talents?.</p>
<p>As a side note BRK u are a great master, avoid that kind of errors. <br />I like more a BM with Ferocious Inspiration than the Trueshot Aura.</p>
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		<title>By: Shifttusk</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/12/06/lrn2rite-and-bad-wishes-wont-come-true/#comment-10980</link>
		<dc:creator>Shifttusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Does MM still have any mana problems with JoW up on the boss? (and it really should be up in a 25man raid, either from a Tanking pally or a ret pally.)"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I just did this past week a kara and gruuls as my pvp marks spec. Kara had a pally tank so JOW and there was a gasp ret pally who did the same on gruuls. With the OFSR time on grull and JOW I didn't even need to pot with oil/mageblood. I potted once on prince in kara because I insisted on might+kings instead of might+wisdom.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"^^ you fail"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Get out, pally tanks do very well now and make HUGE threat. And having a ret or healing pally put judgements up on bosses is part of their job its a huge help (light and wisdom)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does MM still have any mana problems with JoW up on the boss? (and it really should be up in a 25man raid, either from a Tanking pally or a ret pally.)&#8221;</p>
<p>I just did this past week a kara and gruuls as my pvp marks spec. Kara had a pally tank so JOW and there was a gasp ret pally who did the same on gruuls. With the OFSR time on grull and JOW I didn&#8217;t even need to pot with oil/mageblood. I potted once on prince in kara because I insisted on might+kings instead of might+wisdom.</p>
<p>&#8220;^^ you fail&#8221;</p>
<p>Get out, pally tanks do very well now and make HUGE threat. And having a ret or healing pally put judgements up on bosses is part of their job its a huge help (light and wisdom)</p>
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		<title>By: Erastus</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/12/06/lrn2rite-and-bad-wishes-wont-come-true/#comment-10973</link>
		<dc:creator>Erastus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this isn't anything about mana and hunters and who's better, but....  You seem a little stressed out with your #3 email question.  So, I think its time to add a subtitle to your site.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"BigRedKitty - The addon is Rating Buster"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this isn&#8217;t anything about mana and hunters and who&#8217;s better, but&#8230;.  You seem a little stressed out with your #3 email question.  So, I think its time to add a subtitle to your site.  </p>
<p>&#8220;BigRedKitty - The addon is Rating Buster&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ you fail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ you fail</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does MM still have any mana problems with JoW up on the boss? (and it really should be up in a 25man raid, either from a Tanking pally or a ret pally.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does MM still have any mana problems with JoW up on the boss? (and it really should be up in a 25man raid, either from a Tanking pally or a ret pally.)</p>
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		<title>By: Doomilias</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2007/12/06/lrn2rite-and-bad-wishes-wont-come-true/#comment-10958</link>
		<dc:creator>Doomilias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@somewierdspellingofwildcard :)jk&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;our resident elemental shammy has 0 mana problems, and if you watch brk posts of wws reports, is in the top 4 dps on every boss fight. especially since the patch. his words exactly "l2usewatershield"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@somewierdspellingofwildcard :)jk</p>
<p>our resident elemental shammy has 0 mana problems, and if you watch brk posts of wws reports, is in the top 4 dps on every boss fight. especially since the patch. his words exactly &#8220;l2usewatershield&#8221;</p>
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