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		<title>By: Qualkehk</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/01/28/we-respec-and-try-again/#comment-15472</link>
		<dc:creator>Qualkehk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@beck:
Megan "gets her information" from being an experienced PvPer playing several different classes... and I'd have to agree with her. As a BM hunter who spends the majority of his arena time in 2s, I'd much rather have a Shadow Priest at my side. SP/BM makes for a frightening amount of DPS, and the opportunity to play the drain game if the need arises. You personally may have higher survivability as disc/holy; but once you both gear up, BRK's purposes will probably be better served by an SP... 

That being said, good rapport with your teammates and an understanding of their play styles/specs will trump following the cookie-cutter team comps almost every time, imho. Good luck to ye.


@megatf fanboy:
As of sk-gaming's last update, megatf was listed as not only the top ranked hunter in 3v3s (sorry chesko, hammura's quite a few ranks down in everything but 5s), but also the top ranked player of ANY class worldwide... so wipe that uncertainty from your face and wear your fanboyism proudly. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@beck:<br />
Megan &#8220;gets her information&#8221; from being an experienced PvPer playing several different classes&#8230; and I&#8217;d have to agree with her. As a BM hunter who spends the majority of his arena time in 2s, I&#8217;d much rather have a Shadow Priest at my side. SP/BM makes for a frightening amount of DPS, and the opportunity to play the drain game if the need arises. You personally may have higher survivability as disc/holy; but once you both gear up, BRK&#8217;s purposes will probably be better served by an SP&#8230; </p>
<p>That being said, good rapport with your teammates and an understanding of their play styles/specs will trump following the cookie-cutter team comps almost every time, imho. Good luck to ye.</p>
<p>@megatf fanboy:<br />
As of sk-gaming&#8217;s last update, megatf was listed as not only the top ranked hunter in 3v3s (sorry chesko, hammura&#8217;s quite a few ranks down in everything but 5s), but also the top ranked player of ANY class worldwide&#8230; so wipe that uncertainty from your face and wear your fanboyism proudly. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Mwahahah &#38; baksteen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mwahahah &#38; baksteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see BRK in arena combat! I just locked in my first 1850 with my disc priest last night using a MM/SV build. You can check out my spec on the armory. I'm the only Yardbo :)

Imp stings really helps. Place Hobbes in the stables and make a pinchy friend. Follow up viper sting with silencing shot on healer/melee combos. LOS 2dps teams and survive their burst. Make sure you place traps on pillars (etc) and use LOS to YOUR advantage :) Drink whenever possible! Don't panic. Insta 1850 hehe :)

~Yardbo-Thunderhorn (Vindication)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see BRK in arena combat! I just locked in my first 1850 with my disc priest last night using a MM/SV build. You can check out my spec on the armory. I&#8217;m the only Yardbo <img src='http://www.bigredkitty.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Imp stings really helps. Place Hobbes in the stables and make a pinchy friend. Follow up viper sting with silencing shot on healer/melee combos. LOS 2dps teams and survive their burst. Make sure you place traps on pillars (etc) and use LOS to YOUR advantage <img src='http://www.bigredkitty.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Drink whenever possible! Don&#8217;t panic. Insta 1850 hehe <img src='http://www.bigredkitty.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>~Yardbo-Thunderhorn (Vindication)</p>
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		<title>By: Chesko</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/01/28/we-respec-and-try-again/#comment-15427</link>
		<dc:creator>Chesko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the idea of a 3v3, the best combo to go along with your priest friend is to pick up a sl/sl lock (although you'd probably be better off switching to a 0/41/20 build). You can drain their healer in a manner of seconds with that team and even against a pally, the locks dots will keep your viper from being dispelled. 

Mace Rogue/Resto Druid can work nice as well. Pally/warrior combo is horrible as far as the fun factor is concerned because you're the easy choice to get targeted first.

Side note: I've been reading your blog for a while (even though this is the first post I've responded to) and am in a guild that is behind you in progression (we just downed Gruul for the first time this past Sunday!) so I've always found your insight amazingly helpful. Since reading your tips, I've gone from being near the top of the dps charts to consistently being #1 on nearly every raid and definitely every boss fight (and just topped 1000 dps for the first time last week on Shade of Aran! =D). I've even writing my Master's thesis on WoW and will most likely cite your blog within it. So thanks and glad I can finally offer a some help back your way. Even though I am Horde through and through, all of us hunters have a bond. 

Side note 2: Look up Hammura on wow armory to see a good MM build if you ever want to try it out. He is considered by many to be the best PVP hunter in WoW and is part of the best 5v5 in all of WoW (although looking at his armory right now, they had a REALLY bad week lol).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the idea of a 3v3, the best combo to go along with your priest friend is to pick up a sl/sl lock (although you&#8217;d probably be better off switching to a 0/41/20 build). You can drain their healer in a manner of seconds with that team and even against a pally, the locks dots will keep your viper from being dispelled. </p>
<p>Mace Rogue/Resto Druid can work nice as well. Pally/warrior combo is horrible as far as the fun factor is concerned because you&#8217;re the easy choice to get targeted first.</p>
<p>Side note: I&#8217;ve been reading your blog for a while (even though this is the first post I&#8217;ve responded to) and am in a guild that is behind you in progression (we just downed Gruul for the first time this past Sunday!) so I&#8217;ve always found your insight amazingly helpful. Since reading your tips, I&#8217;ve gone from being near the top of the dps charts to consistently being #1 on nearly every raid and definitely every boss fight (and just topped 1000 dps for the first time last week on Shade of Aran! =D). I&#8217;ve even writing my Master&#8217;s thesis on WoW and will most likely cite your blog within it. So thanks and glad I can finally offer a some help back your way. Even though I am Horde through and through, all of us hunters have a bond. </p>
<p>Side note 2: Look up Hammura on wow armory to see a good MM build if you ever want to try it out. He is considered by many to be the best PVP hunter in WoW and is part of the best 5v5 in all of WoW (although looking at his armory right now, they had a REALLY bad week lol).</p>
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		<title>By: Endimion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Endimion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Match 2. - should have mana burned the hunter first. an autoshotting hunter isn't gonna do crap. also deffinately consider killing pets if you can. this allows your priest to sometimes get OOC and drink.


Match 5. Entrapment.... it's a glorious thing :)


glad to see some PvE peeps finally crossing over to the glory of arena :) you should make a 3v3 tho. faster ques and doesn't really take that much more organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Match 2. - should have mana burned the hunter first. an autoshotting hunter isn&#8217;t gonna do crap. also deffinately consider killing pets if you can. this allows your priest to sometimes get OOC and drink.</p>
<p>Match 5. Entrapment&#8230;. it&#8217;s a glorious thing <img src='http://www.bigredkitty.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>glad to see some PvE peeps finally crossing over to the glory of arena <img src='http://www.bigredkitty.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> you should make a 3v3 tho. faster ques and doesn&#8217;t really take that much more organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Bela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@megan

I'm not sure where you're getting your information to base these opinions on. IMHO we did a lot better when I was specced Disc than Shadow. Being a priest makes me a target for most teams, but being discipline gives me a lot more ways to deal with it than shadow. Most of our early losses were due to me being dead. I don't miss silence, nor am I having a problem with the longer CD on fear. Overall, I think this spec is better suited to our team dynamics than shadow was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@megan</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where you&#8217;re getting your information to base these opinions on. IMHO we did a lot better when I was specced Disc than Shadow. Being a priest makes me a target for most teams, but being discipline gives me a lot more ways to deal with it than shadow. Most of our early losses were due to me being dead. I don&#8217;t miss silence, nor am I having a problem with the longer CD on fear. Overall, I think this spec is better suited to our team dynamics than shadow was.</p>
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		<title>By: Anj and GirlsVsWorld</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/01/28/we-respec-and-try-again/#comment-15413</link>
		<dc:creator>Anj and GirlsVsWorld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is the Improved Arcane Shot in practice? I have to say I've never touched it on account of the "Aaw, come on! Just 1sec?!" factor. I know that with in-your-grill PvP encounters a second can seem like a long time but then, on the other hand, it's not that long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is the Improved Arcane Shot in practice? I have to say I&#8217;ve never touched it on account of the &#8220;Aaw, come on! Just 1sec?!&#8221; factor. I know that with in-your-grill PvP encounters a second can seem like a long time but then, on the other hand, it&#8217;s not that long.</p>
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		<title>By: megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BM Hunter for 2v2 belongs on 2DPS team. BRK does this with a Shadow Priest, who also can Mana Burn if they haven't gibbed someone during the BigRedCooldown/Silence/Mind Blast/SW:Death train.

Imp. Stings in this case is still very nice even without a Scorpid---just because he's paired with a Priest, the option to play the drain game is nice.

I'm not too sure about the Priest going Disc/Holy though, they are more suited for a Marks Hunter pairing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BM Hunter for 2v2 belongs on 2DPS team. BRK does this with a Shadow Priest, who also can Mana Burn if they haven&#8217;t gibbed someone during the BigRedCooldown/Silence/Mind Blast/SW:Death train.</p>
<p>Imp. Stings in this case is still very nice even without a Scorpid&#8212;just because he&#8217;s paired with a Priest, the option to play the drain game is nice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not too sure about the Priest going Disc/Holy though, they are more suited for a Marks Hunter pairing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dagashai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dagashai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How's that imp concussive shot working out for ya? I'm always tempted to dump it for efficiency... but then think better of it...

As far as improved stings... I notice a dearth of pallies among your opponents... (tho I've NEVER seen that many hunters myself... I think you attract them, not surprisingly...) anyway, Imp stings work well on pallies, priests and mages... sometimes other hunters. Of these classes, the only one you can't burn down without a mana draing fight is the pally. And yo partner should pwn a pally naturally. So I rather doubt that imp stings would help you much more than what yuir packing now.

Another reason to avoid imp stings... you inevitably start thinking scorpid to keep the pally from purging yo stings... and who the hell wants to read the rantings of BIGREDSCORPID?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How&#8217;s that imp concussive shot working out for ya? I&#8217;m always tempted to dump it for efficiency&#8230; but then think better of it&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as improved stings&#8230; I notice a dearth of pallies among your opponents&#8230; (tho I&#8217;ve NEVER seen that many hunters myself&#8230; I think you attract them, not surprisingly&#8230;) anyway, Imp stings work well on pallies, priests and mages&#8230; sometimes other hunters. Of these classes, the only one you can&#8217;t burn down without a mana draing fight is the pally. And yo partner should pwn a pally naturally. So I rather doubt that imp stings would help you much more than what yuir packing now.</p>
<p>Another reason to avoid imp stings&#8230; you inevitably start thinking scorpid to keep the pally from purging yo stings&#8230; and who the hell wants to read the rantings of BIGREDSCORPID?</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPS/Healer should ALWAYS win vs DPS/DPS.  However, that's gear dependant.  As BRK is not in good pvp gear, his priest probably isn't either.  You guys get gear, and you'll find it easy to get more wins.  

GJ on the mage btw.  Never, ever let that elemental alone.  It should take you 2-3 hits to kill it with your current gear.  It deals massive damage (sometimes I really feel it deals more damage than the mage himself) and does a ranged frost nova every 30sec.  Don't let it beat on your priest

IMO, imp stings is nice, but not good enough for me to respec.  HOWEVER.  Imp concussive shot is not even an option imo.  SO if you want to dump an extra 5 points in, put it in stings, not cs.  BTW, with a holy priest, you may find yourself to have mana troubles on thsoe long fights.  You mentioned 50k damage.  My current high record was over 94500 damage done in a 2v2.  Longest freakin match ever.  We won :P  

Final note... you can buy drinks from hall of champions.  These can be used in arena if you FD and drink when a druid runs away for instance.  don't underestimate freezetrap, drink when it's down to 1v1 and you're losing due to mana issues, i.e. kiting a holy paladin that's shocking you to death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPS/Healer should ALWAYS win vs DPS/DPS.  However, that&#8217;s gear dependant.  As BRK is not in good pvp gear, his priest probably isn&#8217;t either.  You guys get gear, and you&#8217;ll find it easy to get more wins.  </p>
<p>GJ on the mage btw.  Never, ever let that elemental alone.  It should take you 2-3 hits to kill it with your current gear.  It deals massive damage (sometimes I really feel it deals more damage than the mage himself) and does a ranged frost nova every 30sec.  Don&#8217;t let it beat on your priest</p>
<p>IMO, imp stings is nice, but not good enough for me to respec.  HOWEVER.  Imp concussive shot is not even an option imo.  SO if you want to dump an extra 5 points in, put it in stings, not cs.  BTW, with a holy priest, you may find yourself to have mana troubles on thsoe long fights.  You mentioned 50k damage.  My current high record was over 94500 damage done in a 2v2.  Longest freakin match ever.  We won <img src='http://www.bigredkitty.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Final note&#8230; you can buy drinks from hall of champions.  These can be used in arena if you FD and drink when a druid runs away for instance.  don&#8217;t underestimate freezetrap, drink when it&#8217;s down to 1v1 and you&#8217;re losing due to mana issues, i.e. kiting a holy paladin that&#8217;s shocking you to death.</p>
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		<title>By: Buckwild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buckwild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed that two out of the three losses were to double DPS teams.  With a healer, all this means is that either you or the healer needs more surviving power.  If you have a healer and they don't, every bit of damage you deal is not usually healed by them, while yours is.  The longer the game, the more likely you will win.

Spec-wise, I don't play a hunter, but Chesko sounds like he knows what he is talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that two out of the three losses were to double DPS teams.  With a healer, all this means is that either you or the healer needs more surviving power.  If you have a healer and they don&#8217;t, every bit of damage you deal is not usually healed by them, while yours is.  The longer the game, the more likely you will win.</p>
<p>Spec-wise, I don&#8217;t play a hunter, but Chesko sounds like he knows what he is talking about.</p>
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