What’s the Resilience-Noob Barrier?
We had 22 Warsong Gulch marks of honor, loads of honor points, and really wanted the Gladiator’s legs to match our gloves. The helm and chest weren’t massive upgrades, the shoulders were sort of a downgrade, but the leggings were really appropriate. Lots of resilience and the chance to put a PvP armor kit on them as opposed to our raiding kit.
But we needed eight more WSG marks and we loathe WSG. Emberstorm Alliance doesn’t lose anything more than WSG. We get destroyed. We were going to shuffle our feet and accept the Gladiator chest armor when we decided to knuckle-down and go lose eight WSGs in a row.
And as long as we’re losing, we’re gonna go as a 11/41/9 spec’d hunter! Just for kicks. So we did.
NOW we know why everybody hates warlocks. Holy cr@p. We got Death Coiled and chain-feared so much we broke our camera. Seriously, our computer refused to look straight ahead. Turns out we accidentally flipped our view and didn’t know how to re-flip it, but at the time it seemed like we were just stinkin’ afraid of warlocks and refused to go into battle.
But Shaman are toast against this spec. Silence, Viper, Scatter, get to range, Arcane and Multi. Down they go. Cake. We hate Shaman in our BM-spec, but MM get them on toast with a little marmalade. Yummy.
Silence is great, Scatter is good. We aren’t going to trade them for Intimidation and Bestial Wrath. We had to go back to 41/20/0.
But we didn’t.
We loved the extra range from Hawk Eye. Loved. It. So we’re going to try a 41/17/3 spec and see how much our damage is decreased from losing three points in Mortal Shots. This is NOT a raiding spec. Never take Hawk Eye for raiding, ever. But for battlegrounds at least, it’s wonderful.
Oh. The WSGs. We went 2-2! Honestly, we were shocked at that great result, and we even had a two-match win streak going. We needed one last mark and went into WSG thinking that a quick match, win or loss, would be great, but we were going to slug it out regardless. Pfft. Horde did their Pain Train and we didn’t adjust. Ten horde running up and down the field with only five Alliance attacking it makes for a quick match.
Why the heck can’t we get our WSG teams to ever do a Pain Train?
(Note: A Pain Train in WSG is when all ten people run as a unit, healers in the center, up and down the field, fetching the flag and destroying anything in their path. It’s a beautiful thing to watch.)
But we did get our legs! The stat-comparison is against our Tier 4 leggings. We have the PvP gloves already, so that gives us that nice two-set-piece resilience bonus you see in the first picture.
We’ll be getting our S3 axe soon, having 576 arena points. But after that, what next?
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I’ve been running a 41/17/3 spec for a while and really love the extra range you get out of Hawk Eye. I feel for BGs it’s an acceptable trade off, but you’re probably right about it for raiding (something I don’t do).
stam and resil trump all other stats for pvp/arena gear. period. that includes attack power, crit, intellect, agility…everything. 10k unbuffed hp 200 resil is considered a minimum for effective 1600+ arena and premades.
I’m going to be honest, I love it when we do a “Pain Train.” Makes the match go a lot quicker, except for when the Alliance have their stuff together. Then they just come along and derail the train. But anyhow, congrats on the leggings
From what what i have heard. A lot people think season 4 will start in May. I would get the axe and then save up my arena points for the S3 gun when they drop the personal rateing.
200 Resilience is the Noob Barrier.
Emberstorm member here. For some reason, WSG seems to go better for me (better, meaning batting .150) than AB. The Alliance seems to think 5-5-5 defense is a winning strategy in AB. Then the 8-man Horde pack comes. At least with WSG, 3-4 folks that work together can make a real difference.
“Never take Hawk Eye for raiding, ever.”
Unless you’re an SV Hunter, then you can stand in the back and rarely get hit by anything.
/bourbon
Pain Train! Lmao! You say “Pain Train” and all I can think of is the Terry Tate, Office Linebacker Reebok video where he’s about to charge the fat guy for throwing the can in the trash instead of in the recycling bin.
Google it and watch it if you haven’t seen it yet!
If this is common practice, has anyone witnessed dual pain trains from both sides? That would have to be quite a seen to behold. 20 level 70’s crashing into each other right in the middle of WSG… Battle Royale!!
Why are you not getting the Honor gear first? It never made sense to me when people got S1 Arena gear over S3 Honor gear. You’re going to replace the S1 gear well before the S3 gear so you should go for that first. I understand the desire to get the set bonus, but there is plenty of resilience to be had from Honor gear as well.
IMO, always get Honor gear first, get it enchanted and gemmed the best you can and let the Arena points come in as they will and buy the best you can there. Because it’s doubtful you’ll get 2k rated, get the shoulders early. You’ll get a discount on them for being S2 but you’re not really missing out because it’s not like you’d get to 2k anyway.
That’s what I’m doing on my chars and it works out very well. IMO you just wasted a bunch of WSG marks that are quite hard to get that you’ll need for Honor pieces.
What next? S3 helm, it has an eyeball that moves. ‘Nuff said.
/facepalm
Oh the non-joy of WSG. I was running my 29 well geared druid through WSG last night to get some honor and marks for trinkets and such. OH MY GOD!!!! 29 is the new 19.
Twink fest. Now, my druid is well geared. Has clefthide leg armor on his legs (cuz I am a Leatherworker and they cost me just some time) and good enchants. 1800+ HP in reg form unbuffed.
Capped two flags in our win but got wtfpwned whenever I wasn’t in stealth.
AB, normally a Horde love fest, was Ally evilness.
LM was guarded by 3 twink priests. Can you say chain feared and shadow worded everything to death? Did I mention at least one rogue backing them up? I think they figured out how to get 75 in AB last night.
Sadly, I am not sure I can do the druid thing. My guild is going to go for 39 and twink as much as we can and then play BG’s when we aren’t raiding. That’ll be fun. I am thinking of going Resto and become the healing guy.
S3 Axe, BRK? You know that’s the equivalent of a wand for casters.
Get more of the S3 armor!
Hehe, we always called that a Zerg Bus back when we were honor grind hags. It’s actually a pretty common set up to run as a premade if you’re in a raiding guild as it lets your tanks pvp without respecing/regearing. You just put your Tier whatever geared prot war grab the flag with a couple of your pve healers running with him. Watching a pug try to kill a 15k+ health pool prot war in defensive stance is just fun
Brk
Go s3 head chest or legs!
The stats on them are amazing. You get good hit and crit and way more ap than the crappy season 1 gear. Plus moar stamina. The badges pvp cloak is also a very nice idea. If you have it also swap one of your stam trinkets for a Bloodlust brooch. The new battlemasters are nice situationaly but going “lawl pve sized crits” on demand is very nice.
Also as far as speccing I’d recomend sticking to a 0/43/18 or similar marks build rather than 11/41/9 for general pvp. 11/41/9 is pretty much a 2v2 you+healer build only. Its really there to help out more with war/druid in blades edge. The extra 5% hp and deterence will be very nice for you in daily pvp.
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@Doomilias
You do not need 10k health unbuffed or 200 resilience to break 1600. I got my alt rogue to 2040 rating in Season 3, 3 weeks ago. My rogue had 8.3k hp and 167 resilience unbuffed. I used Ced’s Carver and Twin Bladed Ripper as Mutilate spec with a discipline priest. My only PvP items were vindicator’s neck, belt, boots, cloak, ring, and trinket. I now have the Vengeful Gladiator’s Shanker and The Vengeful Gladiator’s Leather Chestpiece and I’m consistantly running 1880-1950 as a Rogue/Rogue combo with another rogue who is equally geared. (bout 8.5k hp and 200 resilience). I’ve gotten to 2100 on this rogue as Rogue/Priest and 2300 on my main rogue.
Lack of gear makes things a lot harder but skill can get you places.
@Anadir
You’re 100% correct. I have no idea why people buy Arena Gear (S1) over Season 3 Non Set Epic honor gear. It’ll last much longer and saves you many hours of grinding honor in battlegrounds (which is hell as alliance).
@Bigredkitty
I play in Emberstorm and I’d love to get a chance to talk with you in vent and set up some 2v2 Skirmish Matches against each other so that I could give you advice and tips on running Hunter / Priest. I’ve got some friends that run the combo in the 2k+ bracket and I’m sure i’d be able to help you advance through the brackets. I also hope to see you in some battlegrounds as we’ve never played together.
Zabrz – 70 Night Elf Rogue
Zabrtue – 70 Human Rogue
ok BRK the S3 helm and chest are raid upgrades for you along with being the top pvp gear. If you ever get ranger-general from hydross you can replace the S3 chest but you may never replace the head peice.
Considering T5 head and chest come from vashj and kael they are very hard to get. S3 head and chest are better imo anyway unless you are after the set bonus.
Also consider the fact that attunment for hyjal and bt will be lifted in 2.4 so guilds will no longer even attempt vashj and kael since they are FAR more difficult than the first half of hyjal and BT.
Lastly I have seen no info on season 4. what the heck could the gear look like anyway? it’s already stupidly overpowered for what little effort is needed to obtain it. look for rating requirments to be lifted at some point but season 4 may not happen until the X-pack.
~300 resil is a good barrier. my pvp guild only takes applicants with 300+ resil, but I’m sitting at 401 and the veteran guildies are maxed out
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bloodscalp&n=Kroniko
I must admit that I agree with the statements about S1 arena gear vs S3 honor gear. I would start pooling the points you get for the BGs and put them into the bracers, belt, and boots. It is simply just more bang for you buck, you know?
I agree with the S3 axe being the next purchase for you. It’s quite nice.
BRK,
The strength of the 11/41/9 build only really shines in 2v2 arenas, and 3v3 to a lesser extent. In Battlegrounds, I’ll go in my raid spec/gear and just devastate everyone….then go back in my pvp spec/gear and devastate them again. Spec/gear don’t matter “quite” as much in BGs as in arenas.
Try out the tri-MM-spec with a healer friend.
You’ll notice a difference.
Regarding the gear..
For someone starting out, without raid gear, let’s say a fresh 70 with just blues to his name, you should be working on 3 things at once..
1) honor for the Vindicator’s gear (boots, wrist, waist)
2) Arena points for the S3 Axe (unless you have easy access to Legacy or Trollbane)
3) grinding badges for the cloak
After #2, save arena points for the S3 (or S4) chest
Note: this applies even for PVE oriented players. This gear is just that good. Go get some pvp.
For somone with a lot of raid gear?.. just start with comparing these, and see how far up you go until they are real upgrades.
“The strength of the 11/41/9 build only really shines in 2v2 arenas”
It doesnt even really shine
Its a solution to the ever present boredom that is warrior druid playing in BEM. And to some extent lock healer teams (although your pet really shouldn’t die here) 4sec pet rez vs any other team is really not needed neither is the speed boost.
@zabrz
why are your personal ratings 1621 (2v2) and 1524 (3v3)?
im confused as to how you got all that season3 gear yet have such low personal ratings.
Depends entirely on whether you think you will be playing much more BGs and Arena matches or not. ( if not why sweat the gear at all?)
Obviously the better Shoulders, Chest, Helm, and Gloves are in the Arena (S2 and 3 versus bg ones)
The vindicator gear in BGs is very nice for PvP………but each only very slightly (generally +3 in each stat except a +6 in AP) better than the cheaper Veterans’ purples….so a question of worth there I guess.
The season one chest, in my opinion, is a major downgrade in everything but resilience to even many blues like say The Breastplate of Rapid Striking. But if reslience is all you care about….
Would you consider changing some of your raiding gems for PvP purposes and then back again? Nahh too expensive I guess.
Have Fun ( I just lost a WSG to an Alliance Naked Gnome team…..really humiliating)
Vengeful FTW!!!
The Vengeful gear is amazing and worth every single point, no matter what class you are.
Btw, BRK… you can get 15 more res on your chest with an enchant… and if you PvP enough, spend the Honor on the GOOD anti-fear trinket which also gives Res.
Hey BRK, one of the many GGR folks here… WHat addon is doing that in-depth comparison on your gear, the stats at the bottom?
The addon is Rating Buster.
Next for honor: Any of the Vindicator’s gear. I love the boots.
Next for arena points: The helm. With hit, I’m likely going to use it for raiding. My only concern is meeting the meta gem requirements when I complete my PvP set (because the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond is so far ahead of that 24 ap/run speed gem it’s ridiculous).
Dude, go survival, enjoy over 32% crit and 10k health! Sleep people that are annoying you! Join the revolution!
Why do Shammys give you a problem under a BM spec? I’ve found them to be pretty easy to dispatch under a Survival spec, and I’m not even using anything extravagant. The problem is when they’re close to you to begin with, but at range, they’re as easy to kite as a Paladin, only have much less armor for a quicker kill.
I do agree about the chest piece. I have the piece you can buy from the Cenarion Group when you are honoured, and with the bonuses formt eh sockets I can see no reason to buy the S1 chestpiece.
I also agree about the Vindicator bracers/ belt/ boots. The only reason I went for the S1 set first is because my Orc Hunter was so undergeared in those areas. She’s only just reached 70, and isnt even keyed for Kara yet, so this was the easy way to get some serious HP and resilience in prep for raiding. As I (hopefully!) move through I’m sure I will pick up some much better PvE pieces, but to start the process with a character who has a faint chanc eo fsurviving to assist with massive dps seemed a useful skill to bring to my guild (Ten Ton Hammer on Hydraxis).
@Doomilias
I jump off teams all the time. I dropped off my 2s team yesterday to play a few matches with a friend so he’d get points for the week.
My 5v5 broke apart after 2 weeks into Season 3.
58 wins 5 losses 1903 rating – #1 in Battlegroup
3v3 Broke apart last week after the mage quit the game
Ranged from 2080-2200 Always top 15 in the battlegroup
2v2 I do with friends to help get points. Season 2 I maxed out as 2300 with Rogue/Priest but due to win traders we were pushed out of Gladiator (20 teams win traded to 2400+ and stole many titles from the deserving players.)
As for my gear, I’ve been 5/5 Season 3 with Dual Season 3 Weapons and Season 3 Throwing Weapon for 2 weeks now.
My PvE gear has 95 resil :s
My alliance BM hunter has had 3pts into Hawk’s Eye from the very beginning and does mostly pvp right now. After reading about your build a couple months ago, I respecced from 41/17/3 to 41/20/0 and noticed a BIG difference. My overall damage went down quite a bit. The extra range in Hawk’s Eye is crucial in the battlegrounds because it can keep you out of harm’s way but still let you dish out all of your damage. Camping towers on defense or defending choke points (Icewing Bunker and Alliance Bridge) are a lot more enjoyable when you can slow someone on a mount running by to let the archers finish them off. The 3 pts. in Hawk’s Eye, while subtle if you haven’t used it before, is sorely missed when you’ve used it for so long. So I quickly and happily changed back to my 41/17/3 build. If I were raiding a lot, I might change it but it’s hard giving up that range.
On another pvp battleground note, I’m really digging the buffs for Aimed Shot and Viper sting. Now anyone with mana gets a viper sting (especially hunters). I don’t know about anyone else but I hate running out of mana almost as much as I hate the horde killing my kitty. Aimed shot is reserved for healers. I’ve been having pretty good luck against pallys, druids and shammys playing defense. Dropping a snake trap, send pet, rapid fire, concussive shot, viper shot, aimed shot, concussive, then start kiting, drop another snake trap for them to run over, intimidation and bestial wrath to keep range and pour on the dps. Arcane shot is used as much as possible, too, same with multi-shot which is nice for getting rid of totems. Of course this depends on you having range to start off with so works best when my night elf and cat is stealthed and defending a node that has a good view of the area and some room to move afterwards.
What are you using for the stat-comparison between your 2 leggings? Looks cool, and I would like to check it out.
I feel your WSG pain. I’m a 59 BM spec hunter who’s pulling very respectable numbers on the scoreboard. So you’d figure that all that DPS goodness would translate into some wins right?
Nope! In fact all I seem to be doing is dragging these battles out, which slows the rate that I get WSG tokens! In fact I’ve got teammates urging me to “let the horde win” and abandoning the BG when we’re not losing fast enough for them!
I’m wondering if this “let’s just lose this fast” attitude is common in WSG? Is it REALLY all about the tokens?
Ankel and Catbert
Get the s3 Helm, it is the best upgrade you could get, grind out the 10(ish) losses a week and get that helm!