Our Favorite Guns
You want to bring the pain as a hunter, you need the best ranged weapon you can get. What are they, where do they come from, which should you get /grabby-hands over? Let’s breakout it down by guns, bows, and crossbows. Epics only, natch, ’cause we want to dream and dream big.
Starting at the bottom of the DPS-chain is the Veteran’s Musket. Solid piece of hardware, there. Get exalted with your Hellfire Peninsula faction and this baby will be yours. Yes, you’ll hate Shattered Halls with a passion that burns with the heat of a thousand suns, but it’s worth it. Great weapon, especially if you’re not in a guild running Karazhan. This gun is lovely for all three talent trees and is totally worthy of a +12 damage scope.
Next is the renowned Don Santos’ Famous Hunting Rifle. Why renowned? Check out that proc. Do you need to blow 1500 gold on this baby? Nah, not really. If you’re a Beastmaster and have Serpent’s Swiftness, you’ll make the gun proc more than any other spec, so you are allowed to drool over it a little more than our MM and SV brethren.
If you can’t stomach going into pugs for the Veteran’s Musket and aren’t running Kara, you could do a lot worse than grabbing one of these out of the Auction House, we won’t deny it. But the first boss in Kara drops a nifty crossbow; don’t blow your epic flying mount fund for this if you’ve got the resources to get into Kara.
Now we get to The Tanking Gun, the Gyro-Balanced Khorium Destroyer. Hunter-engineers, go ahead and make one for yourself and don’t feel shame. The rest of you, please look at the stats on the thing: Stamina. This is a tanking gun, it’s really not for us hunters. If you want to spend 1000 gold on mats for this thing, just go buy a Don Santos. Can you use a GBKD in PvP? Abso-pively. Just don’t sacrifice too much DPS for stamina.
Out of “easily” accessible guns, we now start playing with raiding-loot. The Wolfslayer Sniper Rifle is a marvel. It’s gorgeous. It’s pure-DPS. It’s one of the two big rewards for clearing the first third of Karazhan. Anything less than a crit-scope is demeaning to this weapon, capice? Shell out some cash and look like you know what you’re doing.
Here’s an interesting switcheroo. The Barrel-Blade Longrifle drops from Doomwalker, a world-boss outside the gates of The Black Temple. Doomwalker is a 25 to 40-person raid boss, but the gun really isn’t that much of an upgrade from Kara. At least not, “Finished Kara, finished Gruul’s, possibly Magtherdon, and a world boss,” better. It doesn’t look better than the WSR, no it does not. It’s a little higher DPS, you can gem-it up to make the agility-comparison better, but the WSR has built-on RAP already. Frankly, we’re disappointed with the work-reward ratio required to get this thing.
For you Beastmaster macro-mashers, however, this weapon might be your dream desire. With Serpent’s Swiftness and a 15% ammo pouch, its attack speed is increased to 1.96 1.88 seconds per shot. This number what many consider the ultimate ratio to enable the auto shot/kill command/steady shot macro to make the most DPS of any ranged weapon in the game. Our opinion of macro-life is like that of Gordon Ramsay and his opinion of food; simplicity is best. We use macros to make our life better, but we don’t rely on them to do our work for us.
Now we said the BBL is a little confusing when one considers difficulty-to-obtain versus upgrade-over-Kara-loot. And to compound our head-shaking when looking at the BBL, there’s Tuskbreaker. This drops in Zul’Aman, a 10-man instance. Now this is the upgrade we expected from the BBL! Too f-ing bad it’s hideous-looking, right? ZOMG it’s grotesque. But the stats, oh sweet aunt-tilley, that’s one incredible gun. “It’s too fast for meh macros, BRK!” you might protest. You don’t like? Give it to us; we’ll give it a happy home. At least it’s not called the Gurubashi Dwarf Destroyer. /gulp
Twenty-five person raiding and we finally get that weapon we’ve been waiting for. You can clear SSC and get a spiffy bow, but for us gun-lovers, it’s The Eye and the Arcanite Steam-Pistol. Pistol? Dual-wield! Yes!
No, no can dual-wield. Sorry, do not pass Go, do not collect $200. This should be a dual-wield weapon, for Elune’s sake.
It’s not “pretty” in the traditional sense of the WSR, but has more of an engineering twang to it, like the Core Marksman Rifle of ages past. But it has moving part-thingies, yes it does! And it’s on our list of Lootage We Needz.
Can your guild get into Black Temple? We’re not there yet, but we know what awaits us, the Rifle of the Stoic Guardian. That’s right, take a good look at those stats. Stamina is never eschewed, but DODGE? Great Elune’s ghost, this is a tanking weapon again! There’s no gun in Black Temple or Mount Hyjal for us DPS-epeening hunters? Nope. Nada. Enjoy your pistol, ’cause that’s the end of the PvE line. Phooey.The end of the PvE line, perhaps, but there is one left.
For you arena-junkies, there’s the Vengeful Gladiator’s Rifle. For a ridiculous 3750 arena points, you can have the highest base-DPS gun in the game. It’s not pretty, it’s not hideous, it’s kinda “interesting”. We think it looks very Orcish.The resilience is OK, but we’d much rather it have Ignore Armor to make it more useful in PvE and raiding. That 3.0 attack speed makes the 11/41/9 Marksmen-spec’d arena hunters drool, that’s for sure. A MM-spec Aimed Shot from this piece of bling is gonna hurt for a long, long time.
Alright, that’s the Nine Epic BC Guns review. Next we’ll do Bows and finish with Crossbows!




Anj and GirlsVsWorld on 02 Mar 2008 at 10:59 am #
Looking forward to the bows and crossbows review then. Never been much of a gun-lovin’ girl, just too loud, too unsubtle (silencing scope for WotLK, please?) and certainly not in keeping with being a night elf. String-propelled pointy sticks on the other hand, by the time you realise you’re being attacked with them it’s a lifetime too late.
“Arrows… Arrows are deceitful. When a cowboy fires a gun, there’s a bang. It’s a warning, gives you chance to duck. When a cowboy has an arrow fired at him, he hears nothing. If he’s lucky it sticks in his hat and he just looks daft. But more often than not it sticks in his back and he dies, slumping forward on the horse that rides off with him just on top of it, going like that [mimes dead guy on horseback]“.
Tsani on 02 Mar 2008 at 11:25 am #
This little Draenei is also waiting (im)patiently for the bow review. I nicked the bow from Prince Malchy in Kara on my second run, and I wonder what else I can look forward to.
Oh and do you mind if I use that Gorden Ramsey quote? I’m so sick of hearing hunters cheer for three seconds about an upgrade, then whine for an hour because the haste rating “messes up the shot-rotation-macro”. ><
*Grabs their weapon and beats them over the head with it until they agree to try to shoot manually.*
Halabar on 02 Mar 2008 at 11:27 am #
Hmm.. gotta consider though the pain and anguish of getting drops. The Santos and soon-to-be BBLR can be found at the AH, so, that’s a lot easier for some folks to grind gold than go endless runs hoping for a drop.
(BRK: not everyones a raider. We might we Opera someday but, how many runs before WSR drops?..)
Besides a fresh 70 who’s done his/her grinding can get either of those above. That’s a big difference.
Here’s hoping that with S4 the rating requirement comes off the Vengeful Gladiatior’s gun. I know what I’ll be getting.
For the Pie on 02 Mar 2008 at 11:46 am #
So these epic guns are good for me to move my gun skill off 1?
Yes, I leveled to 70 using nothing but crossbows and bows.
I would love WSR to drop, I would roll on it, even having the Sunfury bow.
Papaoomowmow on 02 Mar 2008 at 12:31 pm #
Unguilded, I have used a Santos solo for a long time. I won’t argue the pecking order, but it’s fun.
Definitely a beatmaster PvE gun…and it only really shines in longer fights…does boost dps noticeably in those. I only have very humble BG purples mostly. And BG gems. My ap is not really very good, and my shells only adamantite, and my crit only 26%;but all buffed and totemed and processed up I have occasionally gone way over a thousand DPS for awhile now and then just killing Balinda. Helped an alliance group take down Grulloc yesterday (which gets you the quest completionin the Ogri’La chain)…my unbuffed dps was 803.
Above average coolness factor.
On my server, with patience you can usually pick up a Santos for 900 - 1000. It’s one of the few AH buys that I would say is actually worth it for a solo BM hunter. There are probably a bunch of us out there.
Bloodarrow on 02 Mar 2008 at 1:02 pm #
Awsome! I was slowly getting around to writing a Epic ranged weapon guide. Instead I simply linked yours. Great job. Love your site.
-BA
Pyrius on 02 Mar 2008 at 1:27 pm #
Looking forward to xbows and this.
*drool* I know exactly what I’m saving my badges for now.
Xanthelei on 02 Mar 2008 at 1:46 pm #
I’m looking forward to the bows too, as my raid leader (MM hunter) is beyond curious/possibly annoyed that I’d take WSR over Sunfury. And to be honest, other than the fact that WSR is 2.7 (<3) and Sun is 2.9, I can’t say why. But I do think running with the 2.9 would gimp my DPS in downtime between Steadies and Autos.
And a word on macros… I ran through the second half of Kara last night with the 1:1 KC macro, and while I don’t know how it affected my DPS I do know that it made my part of Netherspite infinitely easier. I need to go find Mr. Boom and do some testing with my new damage meter, but I might run with a macro for the more intense fights we’re still learning.
Anonymous on 02 Mar 2008 at 2:24 pm #
You should really look into the new 3:2 shot macro. Main points to consider:
- results will vary, but with most weapons you can look for ~100 dps increase over the old 1:1 macro
- uses around 10% more mana than the 1:1
- unlike the 1:1, you really need to use the macro to achieve this rotation — very difficult to do manually
- it seems to make weapon speed less of an important issue to BM hunters. instead, the tooltip dps becomes a better gauge of the weapon (except for very slow weapons, like 3.1 speed, in which case you’ll need a dragonspine)
Feist on 02 Mar 2008 at 2:42 pm #
Arcanite Steam Pistol: Rogue Gun.
Xanthelei on 02 Mar 2008 at 3:39 pm #
@Anon
That’s one of the rotations I want to look at too, and will do so as soon as I find the actual macro.
WoWWiki doesn’t have any mention of it (whaa?), so I plan on combing over the BRK forums for one - I’m sure it’s floating around somewhere, heh.
Basically, I need to make a serious appointment with Dr. Boom to figure out my rotation. I’m not saying I’ll pass on Sunfury, since my RL has it already. I’m just not sure it’s an upgrade, nor am I sure it’s NOT an upgrade. I’m definitely looking forward to BRK’s assessment of it.
Alanor on 02 Mar 2008 at 4:20 pm #
BRK.
I thought EJ has proven that the BBLR and WSR are the top two guns for BM hunters because of weapon speed and using either the 1:1 or the 3:2 macro. And why wouldn’t I use a macro? I have yet to master being aware of my environment, my aggro, my pet, my shot rotation, my health and mana all at the same time. The macro allows me to take one of those things out of the equation.
Felandra on 02 Mar 2008 at 4:45 pm #
Alanor, BRK is no macro-lover, that is for sure. But read him again. He says “don’t let it do your work for you.” That means don’t just hang back and macro away. Weave in Arcane Shots and Multi Shots when you feel you have both the opportunity and mana to do so.
The point was simply to not fall over backwards with the use of macros. Use them to assist, nothing more.
But I agree, currently BBRL IS better, even compared to various weapons using the 3:2 rotation. Of course the more haste you get the more the other weapons will shine. But a comparable BM hunter with no Haste and BBRL and a BM hunter with haste and BristleBlitz are remarkably comparable in DPS. One just uses way more mana…
We are talking 20% more manause, and in my case (Don Santos), NO DPS UPGRADE WHATSOEVER. Tested again and again on good old Dr Boom.
BRK, don’t switch your BBRL for anything as long as you detest macros. You will lose DPS for your Pistol ‘upgrade’. And forthe love of God, never Tusky… Looks sweet in stats, horrible in practice… Sorry.
Btw, you make a few mistakes. Horde can’t get that lovely Veteran’s Musket, we get a fairly crappy bow that is “one size fits none”. It looks nice, but that is about it.
Also, the BBRL BM hasted is not 1.96, it is 1.88. The former number is that of your old WSR (and any other 2.7 weapon). 1.88 is just perfect, and I would give my Ebon set to be able to tweak my gun to that speed.
Tsani on 02 Mar 2008 at 5:04 pm #
Halabar.
Random Drop Tables are the bane of every raider. You can go to Kara for the second time and have every ranged weapon drop, and a friend can run Kara 3 times a week for 6 months and never see a single usable weapon.
For the Pie.
Might want to wait for that bow/xbow list before you start training guns (even if it is fast). There are plenty of nice epic arrow slingers to go around, both in and out of the raid instances.
Alanor.
[Disclaimer: this is my personal opinion here. Read it and think about it or dump it in the mental trash bin. Ain't free choice nice?
]
Using a macro is okay as long as it isn’t the ONLY thing you can do. Macro’s are there to make life easier, and there are some excellent ones that we all have written down somewhere.
Using and learning to adjust a macro to make your life a little bit easier is one thing, using a macro you found on the net from level 1 to 70 and complaining that your spiffy new upgrade will mess up that macro and now you will have to find another somewhere is a whole different thing.
IMHO that kind of Copy&Paste attitude brings people in a whole new category that’s even below the “Clueless Huntards” (TM) that give the rest of us a bad name.
jumb on 02 Mar 2008 at 5:07 pm #
Alanor: Wrong. Using a dodgy shot macro isn’t like giving yourself training wheels as you suggest, it’s teaching you to be lazy. If you can’t learn to do everything at once, you wont be a good hunter. Go roll a mage.
Alanor on 02 Mar 2008 at 5:36 pm #
Hey, I’m still earning this whole raiding thing. I’ve only been raiding for 2 months now and at first felt very overwhelmed with the difference between a 5 man and a 10 man and then a 10 man to a 25 man raid. I had no problem weaving shots manually in a 5 man raid, but I’ve found that in the other raids, especially new content, using a macro allows me to focus more on my surroundings until I get comfortable with the fights.
Felandra and Tsani, thanks for the constructive advice. Jumb, I found your comment a bit condescending, if you can’t be helpful then why comment? I was asking a question and looking for constructive feedback.
Zardok on 02 Mar 2008 at 5:50 pm #
Gun Horror story:
I’m in a group in Slabs with two other hunters, a druid and a priest. Second pull into the instance Don Santos’ Famous Hunting Rifle drops. Nice! Ok, I think typical instance rules when something drops, pass and /roll for it. So I pass, the other two hunters pick need, the druid picks need 0.o, the priest passes. The druid wins the need roll… but wait, the other hunter passed (me) and the druid rolled need for it. Well then just the three hunters /roll for it then.
CG hunter #2, you won, druid, give the hunter the gun. … druid? you there?
-offline-
WTF
A couple minutes later druid comes back online, but he had paid to have his characters named changed. He looks around at us, leaves the instance and goes offline again.
/GM! Help!
one of the hunters had a talk with the GM, and it turns out theres nothing they can do about ninja looters =’(
Dumb on 02 Mar 2008 at 5:53 pm #
Zardok, my sympathies. The fact he paid to have his name changed yet logged straight back in so you could all see his new name — hilarious.
Doogie2K on 02 Mar 2008 at 6:04 pm #
I leveled to 70 using nothing but crossbows and bows.
That’s…actually kind of impressive. I got
scattershot on 02 Mar 2008 at 6:31 pm #
I have both arcanite steam pistol and tuskbreaker…but never ever seen the gun/bow from Kara in over 200 runs ( or more )
Neither the gun from doomwalker.
I have to say that Tuskbreaker is wonderful. It absolutely destroys everything.Both pvp and pve. Arcanite is good for some bosses as the agi scales nicely with bok and gets u hit capped if ur not.
But all these will be soon obsolete with the new badge crossbow coming in 2.4
scattershot on 02 Mar 2008 at 6:37 pm #
And to the guy that said Tusk is bad…Oh ur wrong..so wrong..just go out and test it..Get the arrowfall chestguard for that little extra haste.. You get more dps with Tusk then with Arcanite.
But i would happily exchange them with the gun from Doomwalker, BRK u lucky bastard.
Kemonojin on 02 Mar 2008 at 6:43 pm #
Horde hunters can’t get the Veteran’s Rifle, that’s honor hold only. Our equivalent is the Marksman’s Bow (sorry, dunno how to make an in-line link) http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29152.
I use whatever gives me what I need. I PREFER guns, but right now I have the Valanos’ Longbow, because as someone who soloed to 70, I don’t get much instance time. Never used a crossbow, never had one worth a crap drop.
Does plinking at Dr. Boom give you skill points? I once did it for 45 minutes, just to use up some ammo I didn’t have space for once I replaced the gun I had at the time with a different bow, and didn’t get one skill point.
Angry Raider on 02 Mar 2008 at 7:32 pm #
Nice post. I did a similar thing a few days ago about feral weapons. Check it out at http://www.angryraider.com/2008/02/28/epic-feral-weapon-buyers-guide/.
Felandra on 02 Mar 2008 at 10:50 pm #
scattershot… Tusky remains less DPS than my own Don Santos. It is a horrible way the game is set up for us, but that is how it is for me.
Haste comes at a price, and currently it is too steep to make Tusky worth the effort. I stand to lose around 15-20 DPS even with Arrowfall Chestguard.
When 2.4 comes my ranged wepline will look like this:
Legendary (as if I will ever get it)<– badge X-bow <– BBRL <– WSR <– DS <– Tuskbreaker <– Bristleblitz <– Arcanite Steam Pistol
Moit on 03 Mar 2008 at 5:25 am #
Kemonojin on 02 Mar 2008 at 6:43 pm :
“Does plinking at Dr. Boom give you skill points? I once did it for 45 minutes, just to use up some ammo I didn’t have space for once I replaced the gun I had at the time with a different bow, and didn’t get one skill point.”
I go plink at the “servants of …” in Blasted Lands to raise weapon skill. They get down to about zero percent and then just don’t die. Keep the pet healed (not hard as they’re about level 50) and fire away with your new weapon. Gets you well into the 300s in no time.
Heffer & Rimfeast on 03 Mar 2008 at 6:32 am #
I’m exalted with the Thrallmar (horde) in Hellfire and I can’t find the Veteran’s Musket, I just get the offer of some wanky bow made of bones……
Heffer & Rimfeast
Edit: just seen that someones already said this, sorry!
Tsani on 03 Mar 2008 at 7:18 am #
Alanor.
In raids it can get a little hectic, perhaps the following will help.
If you use Omen, then recolour both your and your pet’s names so you can easily see where you are on the threat list (I use bright green for pet and bright red for me). Don’t bother with “am I 2 or 3?” just make sure you’re NOT at the top.
Learn the group’s strategy, but at first just focus on your and your pet’s part. Write it down in 3 or 4 lines for an easy reminder. You don’t need to know -precisely- what the other groups must do unless you’re the leader.
Pick a good spot where you have a good view of the fight, but won’t have to move much. Stay at the back with the other casters, and let melee run around.
Many addons can also give sound warnings for high Aggro, low HP/Mana, and available specials; very often you can set the % where it will alert you.
I’ve been raiding for two years now, and I still have problems with information overload at times. Just go with the flow, focus on that Mob, and be glad you’re not a healer because they have to keep an eye on everyone!
Pike on 03 Mar 2008 at 7:30 am #
I’ll try not to make too big of a mess when I drool all over this post and the upcoming bows/crossbows one. Though hopefully my current crossbow is on the other list so I don’t feel TOO left out in the cold…
/target Gladiator’s Heavy Crossbow
/pat
Eldorn on 03 Mar 2008 at 9:16 am #
Really look forward to reading your review on crossbows.
Ralowae on 03 Mar 2008 at 11:12 am #
WTB bow and xbow review asap.
I rarely use guns. If one of these beauties drops, I’ll use it, because they’re all better than Valanos Longbow.
Given a choice between gun a bow(or crossbow), even if the gun had a slight edge(~2-3 dps) I’ll take the bow.
The highest level content I’ll be doing anytime soon is heroics or kara, so I expect to be sticking with the Gladiator’s Heavy Crossbow I’ll soon have for some time.
Ralowae and BlackTooth
Erilar on 03 Mar 2008 at 1:15 pm #
Please, please let there be a PvP longbow in S4 that doesn’t require personal rating! I’m weeks new to PvP after being a PvEer since launch. I’m lovin’ it, but it’ll be a little while until my 5v5 team is breaking 1800…
Don’t want the best PvP bow in the game - haven’t earned that. I just want *a* PvP bow. Not an xbow either please, Blizz. I’m an elf, dammit - guns are for orcs. (Sorry BRK) ;D
Pummra on 04 Mar 2008 at 11:46 am #
Nice post. I have a 70 dwarf hunter who’s been on ice since he dinged 70. He still carries around the Gunblade. I don’t see any real “easy to get” guns here, as he isn’t Kara geared. Is there anything decent that drops from 5 mans or heroics?
Bounty on 06 Mar 2008 at 5:38 pm #
Very interesting.
On my hunter i got the sunfury bow of the phoenix and the wolfslayer sniper rifle. I am a dwarf of course and BM of course.
ive talked to other hunters and they say that being BM i should use the gun because of the speed. a guildy of mine said only reason i should consider the gun is because of my racial for 1% to crit and that the sunfury is better because of its 83.3 dps
compared to the sniper rifle’s 79.1 dps. get back to me please BRK, need some closure on this dilemma.
Aylfric on 06 Mar 2008 at 11:51 pm #
” Do you need to blow 1500 gold on this baby? Nah, not really. If you’re a Beastmaster and have Serpent’s Swiftness, you’ll make the gun proc more than any other spec, so you are allowed to drool over it a little more than our MM and SV brethren.
If you can’t stomach going into pugs for the Veteran’s Musket and aren’t running Kara, you could do a lot worse than grabbing one of these out of the Auction House, we won’t deny it. But the first boss in Kara drops a nifty crossbow; don’t blow your epic flying mount fund for this if you’ve got the resources to get into Kara.”
Um… yeah. But the Don Santos is CONSIDERABLY better than the Steelhawk or the Sunfury if you’re a Beastmaster and using a 1:1 shot rotation.
Don’t be dissing the Don, now!
Bounty you should use the gun. It’s not the DPS # that matters so much as the weapon speed. If you use the Sunfury bow and auto-steady-auto-steady you will have more dead time between shots and do less DPS.