Tier 5 Bonus Can’t Be Beat
Five bosses in SSC down in three hours, eleven minutes, including a wipe on Leo the Blind. Huzzah!
We wore our old T4 leggings, leaving our new Void Reaver Greaves in the bank, ’cause we screwed up Outfitter. Huzzah!
The Tier 5 bonus so that 15% of our total damage goes to heal Hobbes wasn’t affected by our Outfitter Idiocy. Phew.
Health Link is the “spell” that does the pet-healing. Look at that; that’s just nuts, that is. Heck, we were #10 on total heals! Hobbes only died one time the entire night, right after Leo the Blind died and we couldn’t damage anything to keep Hobbes alive through Leo’s Bleed.
The entire anonymous report is here, we are Phobos and Smidge.
And if you would kindly allow us a modicum of back-patting, we are really happy with this one stat from the WWS report:
Five million total damage. /drinks it all in
We employ a manual 1:1 Auto/Steady shot rotation with alternating phases of pure-DPS and mana-regeneration. No shot-rotation macro here. Can you use one? Sure. Do you Need one? No you don’t.
Get into that anonymous WWS report we linked. Poke around, think big thoughts. Come up with some questions.
A hunter’s job is to provide Massive Quantities of Sustained, Ranged DPS.
What are you doin’?
vcproj on 17 Apr 2008 at 8:15 am #
I’m doing 4/5 hyjal, 5/9 bt…
Some of the fights are not pet friendly…
Greenarrowx on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:07 am #
http://wowwebstats.com/znluj3vynvyto
This was our WWS report from Kara Monday night. We only run for 2 hours due to time restrictions so we only got to Maiden. Still a new group, only our third run.
Pretty good dps on my part I think (even with dying like 2 seconds into the second Maiden fight, stupid Holy Fire), considering I only have 1 piece of Kara gear (Steelhawk Crossbow) & no heroic gear.
My buddy is the other hunter who pretty much has almost all the hunter gear from the first 5 bosses.
http://perenolde-us.warcrafter.net/greenarrowx
http://perenolde-us.warcrafter.net/tyravan
The 1:1 rotation, FTW!
Greenarrowx & Panthro, US-Perenolde
Anj and GirlsVsWorld on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:07 am #
I’m doing Massive Quantities of Sustained, Ranged DPS thanks! A good portion of that (credit where it’s due) is thanks to you. Thanks, you!
Only at the Karazhan stage in our guild, but it’s still fun watching our Marksmanship hunter break a sweat to keep up with me.
/night elf bounce bounce bounce.
For the Pie on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:16 am #
Hey BRK,
With the T5 bonus and the change to Improved Mend Pet, you think dropping 1 TP in it would be a good thing?
Greenarrowx on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:17 am #
I put the warcrafter links up, because I can’t get armory at work. :(. Not as reliable as armory, but close enough for government work.
Locknload on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:31 am #
LIES! I see 2 x revive pet.
But that heal pet bonus on the 2 T5 pieces are pure win!
SSC on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:53 am #
With your gear and raid buffs, there is no reason why you shouldnt be hitting 1200 or more dps. Not using a shot macro is hampering your damage output. Of course you dont need a shot macro, but to optimize your contribution to the raid, you should use one.
Doomilias on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:55 am #
i know you loved all those delicious attack power and crit buffs!
Pike on 17 Apr 2008 at 10:17 am #
Yesterday I did Heroic Slave Pens with a tankadin who was all “CC? Where we’re going we don’t need CC…” (see what I did there?) and we went in there with no CC and DPS’d the crap outta everything. And cause I had no traps to worry about I just did the “manual 1:1 Auto/Steady shot rotation” as you say there and boy did the MQoSRDPS flow and it felt goooood. Rogue and marks hunter never stood a chance. <3 (Though I did loves me some Trueshot Aura– marks hunters are a rare breed these days and I do enjoy having ‘em with me for Trueshot. I was givin’ him FI, it was all good.)
That Tier 5 set bonus though, it makes me drool. Pike wants. *makes grabby hands*
afallach on 17 Apr 2008 at 10:19 am #
I come from a long background of first person shooters. In a FPS you usually dont have too many buttons you have to be pushing, usually it’s changing weapons and or firing a different abilty for said button. The problem I had when I started playing world of warcraft, is I just didnt have enough buttons at my disposal. By that I mean, I wanted to be able to use a hundred different skills without taking my hands off the wsad and qe movement keys and just didnt have enough buttons on my mouse and the area around said keys. I’m just so used to having my left hand in one place on the keyboard, I never got used to having to move said hand to hit 1-9 above or god forbid the function keys.
So I bought a speed pad and started writing macros. Combining the software that came with the n52, the macro software in world of warcraft, and constantly refining and combining several actions on one key press has allowed me to put every single action I could want to perform right at my disposal without ever taking my hand off the wsad pattern. Sure, a shot macro does fall into this category, but even then I’ve learned how to combine macros and dynamically change them on the fly. I’m sure folks that grew up on MMO’s can play without one, but for a guy like me, macros and the n52 have allowed me to bring the pain without futzing with my controls all the time.
Zuel on 17 Apr 2008 at 10:32 am #
Although probably everyone here already knows it, theres an extra “http//” in the second WWS link, so it won’t work when you first click it, you have to fix it manually (at least I had to).
Congratz on the progression so far, BRK =)
Nick on 17 Apr 2008 at 10:58 am #
i still want to know how your arcane mage does it… that rotation is the mana-killer, and yet his dps is so good!
AAAAAH MUST KNOW!!!!
Muirad on 17 Apr 2008 at 11:38 am #
@Nick
Not that it has anything to do with the OP, but it looked like the mage burned bright for a short amount of time. If you look at his DPS time on the boss fights, they’re around 60-65%, which seems to indicate that he blew most of his mana in a burst, then did little damage until he was able to come up with more. On Tidewalker, I’m guessing he AoE’d the murlocs, which spiked his damage output.
Note: I don’t have a mage over 20, so I’m really just making a SWAG here.
HunterX on 17 Apr 2008 at 11:40 am #
Morogrim Tidewalker Kill
Auto Shot - 161 Hits
Steady Shot - 103 Hits
Arcane, Multi, Aimed - 8 Hits
Lurker Below Kill
Auto Shot - 115 Hits
Steady Shot - 65 Hits
Arcane, Multi, Aimed - 6 Hits
Anyone else missing some steady shots for a 1:1 rotation?
Hammerhiem & Cuddles on 17 Apr 2008 at 11:48 am #
I got excited the first time I crossed 1 mil in Slabs…I think I ended about 1.5…I don’t know anything about SSC…still playing in Kara
Blogzorz on 17 Apr 2008 at 11:56 am #
My guild is currently 4/5 MH 2/9 BT
Even when I get stuck in a group with healers, you’ll be hard pressed to find me below spot 2/3 on the dmg meters.
@BRK
I can’t access the WWS from work, but based on other comments, maybe you should be using a shot macro if you’re not hitting your 1:1 roatation.
Do you use 2 sets of gear? One with enough +hit for 72 and below mobs and one with +hit for 73 bosses? If no, that will up your dmg.
Chorius and Spot on 17 Apr 2008 at 12:31 pm #
@HunterX
Everytime you pop something that uses a global cooldown you have to skip a steady. Using a pot, drums, BW, Rapid Fire, trinkets, etc…
That, and BRK said, “with alternating phases of pure-DPS and mana-regeneration.” Means he’s probably sitting on his auto shot for a few to let his mana regen before resuming the 1:1 rotation.
Greenarrowx on 17 Apr 2008 at 12:40 pm #
@HunterX
And sometimes you accidentally clip your Auto Shot by hitting Steady Shot too early or too late.
And you can’t go “balls to the wall” before the tank has sufficient aggro.
afallach on 17 Apr 2008 at 12:41 pm #
Missing steady shots or not, he’s still putting out 1k+ for the entire raid, you cant argue with those results.
Aerthus on 17 Apr 2008 at 12:53 pm #
@HunterX
My guess is that Chorius is correct. If you want to get technical, and I’m going to assume that you do, a 1:1 shot ratation means that for every auto shot you take you use one global cool down be it steady shot, a trinket, or a pet ability. So when you use a steady shot rotation you’re using steady shot in between auto shots unless you have an ability/trinket/item to use.
Gratz on the damage BRK. I know I loved toping the damage charts despite all the handicaps I had. I had mostly heroic/badge gear with a few pieces from Kara and was still out DPSing people who were in full Kara and some Gruul/Mag pieces. It feels nice.
Just have to point this out. I was going through the log when I came across this:
19:08′34.967 Phobos’s Basic Campfire misses Basic Campfire
Now what the heck is that supposed to mean?
Grindurbonze on 17 Apr 2008 at 1:01 pm #
grats! impressive!
I think Outfitter is cute and clever and all, but at the end of the day I rarely put it to good use and more frequently find myself malequipped in the middle of or after a fight.
Nick on 17 Apr 2008 at 1:18 pm #
@Aerthus
Much of the badge gear has a slight edge over Kara/Gruul’s gear.
In the case of much of the new badge gear, the word “slight” no longer applies.
Your gear is fine.
@Muirad
It’s an interesting strategy… run yourself OOM in an orgy of Arcane DPS and then regenerate… but high MP5 on a Mage? Difficult!
Alanor on 17 Apr 2008 at 1:36 pm #
To SSC:
If you look at BRK’s individual boss fights, except for Leo, he was around or over 1200dps. I think on Leo he was in the mid 800’s range which brought his dps average way down to the meager 1050dps we see as a total. I also have some trouble with the Leo fight because of the aggro sensitivity of it and that silly little WW that takes him out of range.
On a side note: Last week we went 4/6 in SSC and not a single piece of Hunter gear dropped. As a matter of fact, since 2.4 I haven’t seen a T5 hunter token drop at all.
Latigo on 17 Apr 2008 at 1:53 pm #
What am I doing? I stopped playing my hunter and rolled a rogue.
Lost interest in the hunter, just too easy.
pelides on 17 Apr 2008 at 4:42 pm #
@Latigo
I stopped playing my hunter for 2 months and got my rogue to 70. Spamming SS, SnD and Rupture? Talk about easy mode! Managing a shot rotation with your mana pool, keeping a pet alive and watching out for the squishies… that’s a lot of micromanagement to contend with.
Rogue = 22…. 3! 222222222222222…. 4! 22…..3! 222222222222222 4! 222222222…. 5! 22…. 3! etc.
2 = SS
3 = SnD
4 = Rupture
5 = Feint
So much easier to play than a hunter. Granted a soloing hunter just kills stuff faster and has way less down time.
Naissa on 17 Apr 2008 at 5:06 pm #
Holy crap. That set bonus seems awesome!
I really like the WWS reports that you post.
BRK on 17 Apr 2008 at 6:09 pm #
One of those deaths was the 1st Leo fight where the raid wiped. The 2nd was the winning Leo fight where Hobbes died after Leo went down.
We save Hobbes for our Inner Demons and Leo’s demon phase. He’s critical to us getting our ID down, so we do our best not to let Leo’s Bleed take Hobbes out.
We made a camp fire to make some warp burgers before the first pull. Why that’s in the combat log, we have no clue.
Anonymous on 17 Apr 2008 at 6:27 pm #
@SSC:
No. A shot rotation macro is proven inferior for DPSing when you’re still at BRKs’ gear level and doing a 1:1 rotation. If you manually time your shots you are able to take advantage of the server-side queue by hitting your steady shot during the .5 sec auto shot cast, thus eliminating lag from the equation and making your rotation as tight as possible.
Zball on 17 Apr 2008 at 7:24 pm #
@Nick
If that mage is Arcane/ anything, he probably picked up Arcane Meditation. That’s 30% of your normal mana regen while casting. When combined with Mage Armor (another 30% mana regen while casting), Judgment of Wisdom, Prayer of Spirit and the new mana regen model, yes, spiking damage then recovering is definitely doable. It has nothing to do with mp/5. It has everything to do with Spirit and Intellect.
Zball on 17 Apr 2008 at 8:02 pm #
A correction to my above post, as I waited too long to try and edit it. The second- to- last sentence should read–
“It has nothing to do with stacking mp/5.”
As the regen during casting is considered mana per 5.
Alanor on 18 Apr 2008 at 12:47 am #
BRK,
I understand why you were lower on the Leo fight I was bringing it up because because someone was complaining that your overall DPS for the night should have been higher and I mentioned that the Leo fight was the one fight that brought down the average dps for the night.
HunterX on 18 Apr 2008 at 1:38 am #
No. A shot rotation macro is proven inferior for DPSing when you’re still at BRKs’ gear level and doing a 1:1 rotation.
Like BRK says: It depends…
Lets take a look at this anonymous wws log (Rage Winterchill - Custom Split because wws messed up with german combat logs):
http://wowwebstats.com/krlhiu1lsqtjg?s=6565,6957
Let us ignore Deimose cause his pet and some Druid shared the same name.
So we are looking for Diones Stats:
Steady Shots - 123
Autoshots - 113
His gear is inferoir to BRK’s gear and he is using a shot rotation macro. If all of the comments above about GCD and 1:1 macros are true, how is this even possible?
Nick S. on 18 Apr 2008 at 5:12 am #
possible to have more steady shots than auto? easy. he starts his gun shooting with steady shot, and whatever he’s hitting is either dying or being deselected before the auto shot goes off.
just a guess. happens to me wee 65 hunter alla time in instances.
Nitehawke on 18 Apr 2008 at 9:55 am #
Several things can cause more steady shots than autos, but the most common answer is that many BM hunters are using a 3:2 macro (that becomes 1:1 with haste effects). This means that every few autoshots, if your weapon is slow enough, you fit two steadys in there.
Also, it can be a sign of extreme clipping. You pack your steadys so close together that you miss autos entirely.
I have also gotten results like that sometimes when I have horrible lag spikes. Most likely, for someone in MH, it is a result of a 3:2 rotation…
@Blogzorz, great idea, been meaning to do exactly that. Just need to do some bag organization to clear out more room…. bleh…
Anon on 18 Apr 2008 at 11:57 am #
brk, you owe it to yourself, and perhaps more importantly to your raid party, to try out a shot macro. at least on dr. boom.
the game is a bunch of button pushing whether you use a macro or not; the macro just changes the button. myself, i use ctrl-mouse-wheel down for the 1:1 and shift-mouse-wheel down for the 3:2 when i really want to dish out the pain.
Latigo on 18 Apr 2008 at 5:55 pm #
@Pelides
LOL, don’t want to argue. I just didn’t see a challenge in running a hunter. No I did not suck as a Hunter. I was my guild’s class leader and I helped a lot of hunters with various builds and all that.
CC, shot rotation is all good.
I still find hunters boring. I am a pvp type so to me the rogue is much more interesting.
You need to study rogues better if your example is how you think it’s done. To provide max dps a rogue has to worry about rotation just as much as a hunter. What to do and when to do it, and time it just right.
It’s boring having my pet doing all the work…just sayin.
Waynebrady on 18 Apr 2008 at 9:39 pm #
@Chorius and Spot
I havnt raided in a while (quiting the game) but I am pretty sure, if I remember right, you could time your mana pots, and other stuff to not delay your autoshot and even if it does it’s really not a big deal ( you just have to time it right , so in other words use an autoshot timer). I know with drums you have to delay a shot though.
Also some people might hate me for this but if a hunter has to use a mana regen shot rotation ( just autoshot) he mis managed his Mana pot Cooldown. Last option scenario should be switching to aspect of the viper for a little bit. I used to start drinking a pot when I was at around 85% of mana , sometimes more and even then I still had to switch to AoTV towards the end of the fight for a little bit though (until my pot CD was back up to drink some another one). And this is with using a 3/2 rotation.
Which leads me to another point..If a paladin in the raid is not actively trying to put up and puts up JoW get them too, especially if you have a ret paladin in your raid. For a hunter JoW is HUGE. Also having a resto shaman would help a little bit with their mana totems, but more importantly cause of the extra dps you could do with them in your party. A good hunter group IMO should have a resto shaman.
Anyways sorry if I offended anybody just trying to post some tips for my fellow hunters.