Comments on: Where and Why We Differ http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/ World of Warcraft Hunter Blog Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:59:36 -0600 hourly 1 By: Aspect of the Girl http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-23683 Aspect of the Girl Sun, 04 May 2008 14:18:26 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1498#comment-23683 [...] BRK’s Shot Rotation/Mana Regen video post and the follow up post. Be sure to read through all the comments. Lots of good tips within the [...] [...] BRK’s Shot Rotation/Mana Regen video post and the follow up post. Be sure to read through all the comments. Lots of good tips within the [...]

]]> By: Anxi http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-23260 Anxi Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:54:39 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1498#comment-23260 If I could talk my husband to read blogs, he would adore yours. His main is a warrior, but he has a lot of pride in his hunter. He also believes in mana regen, and is always above our other hunter in our Kara (who likes to try and give him hunter advice-which is cute). These kind of responses go to show doesn't matter how long you've been playing a hunter, doesn't mean you know what you're doing. Rock on! <3 If I could talk my husband to read blogs, he would adore yours. His main is a warrior, but he has a lot of pride in his hunter. He also believes in mana regen, and is always above our other hunter in our Kara (who likes to try and give him hunter advice-which is cute). These kind of responses go to show doesn’t matter how long you’ve been playing a hunter, doesn’t mean you know what you’re doing.

Rock on! <3

]]> By: Brought you by the letter ‘G’ « Great Green Hunter http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-22619 Brought you by the letter ‘G’ « Great Green Hunter Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:42:57 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1498#comment-22619 [...] (beast master) has also gotten into the issue from a raid point of view. As he defends his stanceon raid dps and mana-up solutions. I think the previous post he made had video footage showing how [...] [...] (beast master) has also gotten into the issue from a raid point of view. As he defends his stanceon raid dps and mana-up solutions. I think the previous post he made had video footage showing how [...]

]]> By: FWIW http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-22496 FWIW Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:26:15 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1498#comment-22496 LOL @ Not so much. BRK has his big girl panties on, and can deal. He doesn't need you to protect him. Simply because someone does not agree with him and has a constructive argument to back it up does not equate to trolling. Kinda cute though. ;) LOL @ Not so much.

BRK has his big girl panties on, and can deal.

He doesn’t need you to protect him. Simply because someone does not agree with him and has a constructive argument to back it up does not equate to trolling.

Kinda cute though. ;)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-22476 Anonymous Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:40:05 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1498#comment-22476 I didn't see any trolls in this topic. All I saw were other hunters pointing out one flaw with BRK's methods, and explaining why it was a flaw. BRK's blog does indeed have an awesome blog, and the fact that many other intelligent hunters that visit his site will catch his mistakes makes it that much more awesome. I didn’t see any trolls in this topic. All I saw were other hunters pointing out one flaw with BRK’s methods, and explaining why it was a flaw.

BRK’s blog does indeed have an awesome blog, and the fact that many other intelligent hunters that visit his site will catch his mistakes makes it that much more awesome.

]]> By: Not So Much « For the Horde http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-22474 Not So Much « For the Horde Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:09:28 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1498#comment-22474 [...] one last one.  BRK has an awesome blog that tonnes and tonnes of people read.  The trolls in his comments? Not so [...] [...] one last one.  BRK has an awesome blog that tonnes and tonnes of people read.  The trolls in his comments? Not so [...]

]]> By: Allisera http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-22463 Allisera Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:07:00 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1498#comment-22463 ”I don’t know any raid that would frown on a Hunter that pumps continual DPS without going OOM as opposed to some fool who blows their wad, goes OOM, can’t get a pot away and contributes to a wipe because they have lost the ability to DPS at all (a harsh example yes, but how many times have we seen this in groups at the very least?)” Allow me to point out the fallacies here: -"a Hunter that pumps continual DPS" He's relying on autoshot here, during his 5-second rule/spirit regen phase. This is the same autoshot he could use if he was OOM. Rapid Fire and trinkets increase the damage he is doing in this phase, but they could provide a greater increase if was firing steady shots too. -"some fool who blows their wad, goes OOM, can’t get a pot away and contributes to a wipe because they have lost the ability to DPS" Hunters never, ever lose the ability to DPS completely, short of running out of ammo. An OOM hunter still has autoshot... which is the same thing BRK is relying on here. Put another way, BRK is artificially making himself "Out of Mana" each time he goes to use the FSR, save for the fact that he's activating Rapid Fire just prior. Furthermore, he's even gimping his "Out of Mana" phase, because if he actually *was* close to being OOM, he would gain more benefit from Aspect of the Viper. ”I don’t know any raid that would frown on a Hunter that pumps continual DPS without going OOM as opposed to some fool who blows their wad, goes OOM, can’t get a pot away and contributes to a wipe because they have lost the ability to DPS at all (a harsh example yes, but how many times have we seen this in groups at the very least?)”

Allow me to point out the fallacies here:

-”a Hunter that pumps continual DPS”

He’s relying on autoshot here, during his 5-second rule/spirit regen phase. This is the same autoshot he could use if he was OOM. Rapid Fire and trinkets increase the damage he is doing in this phase, but they could provide a greater increase if was firing steady shots too.

-”some fool who blows their wad, goes OOM, can’t get a pot away and contributes to a wipe because they have lost the ability to DPS”

Hunters never, ever lose the ability to DPS completely, short of running out of ammo. An OOM hunter still has autoshot… which is the same thing BRK is relying on here. Put another way, BRK is artificially making himself “Out of Mana” each time he goes to use the FSR, save for the fact that he’s activating Rapid Fire just prior. Furthermore, he’s even gimping his “Out of Mana” phase, because if he actually *was* close to being OOM, he would gain more benefit from Aspect of the Viper.

]]> By: FWIW http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-22414 FWIW Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:07:02 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1498#comment-22414 Keyriste, this is nuts. Never, ever, as a hunter, play around with the 5 second spirit mana regen rule in a raiding environment. Forget it even exists for the class. We, you, all of us hunters do not have what it takes for it to be even remotely successful, meaningful, or effective. What next? Mages wanding for 10 seconds to regen mana? Actually, now that I think of it...and if I saw that in a 25-man raid, I would bust a gut laughing. Priceless. Keyriste, this is nuts.

Never, ever, as a hunter, play around with the 5 second spirit mana regen rule in a raiding environment. Forget it even exists for the class. We, you, all of us hunters do not have what it takes for it to be even remotely successful, meaningful, or effective.

What next? Mages wanding for 10 seconds to regen mana? Actually, now that I think of it…and if I saw that in a 25-man raid, I would bust a gut laughing. Priceless.

]]> By: Val http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-22413 Val Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:03:39 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1498#comment-22413 "If you were to stop casting for 10seconds and only 10seconds, you’d only gain 1 dose of mp5, right? After waiting the 5seconds to get outside the FSR, then you reap rewards is how I read that.." This is in regards to Spirit-based mana regen. Friend said this needed clarifying. Also, I watched the video again and although you (BRK) say something along the lines of "That's pretty good for a potion and -10- seconds" your example lasted from minute 2.56 to minute 3.20 which coincides with a full run of Fel Mana Potion. It nagged at me how you were gaining 3800+mana in 10seconds from spirit/AotV and FMP ^_^ “If you were to stop casting for 10seconds and only 10seconds, you’d only gain 1 dose of mp5, right? After waiting the 5seconds to get outside the FSR, then you reap rewards is how I read that..”

This is in regards to Spirit-based mana regen. Friend said this needed clarifying.

Also, I watched the video again and although you (BRK) say something along the lines of “That’s pretty good for a potion and -10- seconds” your example lasted from minute 2.56 to minute 3.20 which coincides with a full run of Fel Mana Potion.

It nagged at me how you were gaining 3800+mana in 10seconds from spirit/AotV and FMP ^_^

]]> By: Val http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/19/where-and-why-we-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-22412 Val Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:34:15 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1498#comment-22412 While I don't presume to know much about anything, I'll take a whack at this. I apologize for the length. plsplspls someone check my math.. it's 2 in the morning here =/ ("average" stats taken from Armory Musings.. google it) Stats taken from almost 6000 lvl70 hunters on the armory: Average mana is 6338 Average Intellect is 215 Average spirit is 94 (which is about 63 flat mp5.. again someone math me) Fel Mana Potion is 3200 mana over 24 seconds 640ish mp5 over that 24seconds (666.67, 666.67, 666.67, 666.67, 533.32) At 215 Intellect, Aspect of the Viper will give you (55% * 215 =) 118ish mp5 If you were to stop casting for 10seconds and only 10seconds, you'd only gain 1 dose of mp5, right? After waiting the 5seconds to get outside the FSR, then you reap rewards is how I read that.. Anyways, theorycrafting paperdoll time: Over the course of 25seconds: Say you're at 40% mana (2535mp) and you decide it's time for some happy blue text. AotV (2535 - 40 = 2495) Fel Mana Potion and still with the Steady Shots After 5 seconds you've casted 3 steady shots (2495 - 330 = 2165) and gained mana (2165 + 666.67 + 118 = 2949.67) Another 5 seconds you've casted another 3 steadys (2949.67 - 330 = 2619.67) and gained more mana (2619.67 + 666.67 + 118 = 3404.34) Seconds 10-15, here you cast 4 steadys (3404.34 - 440 = 2964.34) and gained (same amount^^ 3749.01) Back to 3 steadys (3419.01) still same amount of mana regen (4203.68) Another 3 steadys (3873.68) and last bit from Fel Mana Pot (4525mana) That's your ending total from "Mana regen time". You've managed to gain, in this theoretical paperdoll situation, 30% (from 40% to 71.3%) of your mana back and still keep your dps up high and long. I mean, sure it's not a nice round number like 50-80% or something but given the circumstances it's still pretty nice, no? Isn't math fun? Bytheby, I make no claim that any of this is actually correct, in the same ballpark, or even a similar game. I'm just a theorycrafting fan with too much free time. >.> While I don’t presume to know much about anything, I’ll take a whack at this. I apologize for the length.

plsplspls someone check my math.. it’s 2 in the morning here =/
(”average” stats taken from Armory Musings.. google it)

Stats taken from almost 6000 lvl70 hunters on the armory:
Average mana is 6338
Average Intellect is 215
Average spirit is 94 (which is about 63 flat mp5.. again someone math me)

Fel Mana Potion is 3200 mana over 24 seconds
640ish mp5 over that 24seconds (666.67, 666.67, 666.67, 666.67, 533.32)
At 215 Intellect, Aspect of the Viper will give you (55% * 215 =) 118ish mp5

If you were to stop casting for 10seconds and only 10seconds, you’d only gain 1 dose of mp5, right? After waiting the 5seconds to get outside the FSR, then you reap rewards is how I read that..

Anyways, theorycrafting paperdoll time:
Over the course of 25seconds:
Say you’re at 40% mana (2535mp) and you decide it’s time for some happy blue text. AotV (2535 – 40 = 2495) Fel Mana Potion and still with the Steady Shots

After 5 seconds you’ve casted 3 steady shots (2495 – 330 = 2165) and gained mana (2165 + 666.67 + 118 = 2949.67)

Another 5 seconds you’ve casted another 3 steadys (2949.67 – 330 = 2619.67) and gained more mana (2619.67 + 666.67 + 118 = 3404.34)

Seconds 10-15, here you cast 4 steadys (3404.34 – 440 = 2964.34) and gained (same amount^^ 3749.01)

Back to 3 steadys (3419.01) still same amount of mana regen (4203.68)

Another 3 steadys (3873.68) and last bit from Fel Mana Pot (4525mana)

That’s your ending total from “Mana regen time”. You’ve managed to gain, in this theoretical paperdoll situation, 30% (from 40% to 71.3%) of your mana back and still keep your dps up high and long. I mean, sure it’s not a nice round number like 50-80% or something but given the circumstances it’s still pretty nice, no?

Isn’t math fun?

Bytheby, I make no claim that any of this is actually correct, in the same ballpark, or even a similar game. I’m just a theorycrafting fan with too much free time. >.>

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