Comments on: Rage? More Like Yawn http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/ World of Warcraft Hunter Blog Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:58:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Ahiru http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/#comment-22630 Ahiru Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:57:07 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1515#comment-22630 Don't worry too much about your DPS on the first fight, you don't have a chance of competing with the mages and warlocks on the trash since your kiting. All they're doing is dpsing, your runnin all over the map and then getting peeved off cuz the damn mobs get side tracked along the way lol. Your dps will take off once the boss turns up, or at least that's what I found, last run we had in there I was a good 3% above the rest of the raid in the actual boss fight. My guild is still working through tk and ssc as we would have before patch 2.4, we want to work through stuff how we should progression wise. We do the first boss in Mt Hyjal because he's easy and our members can do with the gear. We consider RW a farm boss and ssc/tk progression. Don’t worry too much about your DPS on the first fight, you don’t have a chance of competing with the mages and warlocks on the trash since your kiting. All they’re doing is dpsing, your runnin all over the map and then getting peeved off cuz the damn mobs get side tracked along the way lol.

Your dps will take off once the boss turns up, or at least that’s what I found, last run we had in there I was a good 3% above the rest of the raid in the actual boss fight.

My guild is still working through tk and ssc as we would have before patch 2.4, we want to work through stuff how we should progression wise. We do the first boss in Mt Hyjal because he’s easy and our members can do with the gear. We consider RW a farm boss and ssc/tk progression.

]]> By: Grimbert http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/#comment-22572 Grimbert Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:08:27 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1515#comment-22572 As a hunter, your place in MH is to kite those mobs around so the npc gets engaged.. A prot warrior/all tanks need to be near the aoe huddle in case one of the abominations wants to chew on a lock/mage/aoe'er And yes, we do it with a pala tank, consecrating and getting smacked in the face to his hearts content. Once you learn that MQoSRDPS does NOT apply on MH trash waves (untill Frost Wyrms), you'll feel better.. And since you're a BM hunter, kiting is actually a bit fun :) Freezing Traps, Conc shot and Intimidate is your friend, as is Aspect of the Cheetah.. see.. when's the last time you got to play in a raid with that on? I know what you're thinking : "NABLET. X!#¤" turn on Hawk/Viper/Monkey/Beast, leave the Daze-fest alone. L2Kite" Well, the problem is, you need to generate a TON of aggro on your kited Ghoul or Banshee, as the NPC's will hammer away, and if you leave them on your ghoul, so it targets them, then after 5s after you lost aggro, you can't get it back. This is without BoS on, using all the high dps/threat instants and SS/Auto on every CD. A MM hunter might be better suited, as they have more damage/threat on single targets, but it's perfectly doable as cookiecutter 41/20/0 BM. You just lay down your trap in a nice place, do an AS, DS, Auto/Steady and then run behind the trap, AS, DS, CS and then you're running past the Alliance NPC Boss camp.. up to the horses. If you're really skilled/practised, you'll let your pet stun it, run back to towards the AOE camp, while its stunned and kite the ghoul and all the npc's back the the AOE pile so they'll be close once the ghoul is dead = more npc damage on the waves. As a hunter, your place in MH is to kite those mobs around so the npc gets engaged..
A prot warrior/all tanks need to be near the aoe huddle in case one of the abominations wants to chew on a lock/mage/aoe’er

And yes, we do it with a pala tank, consecrating and getting smacked in the face to his hearts content.

Once you learn that MQoSRDPS does NOT apply on MH trash waves (untill Frost Wyrms), you’ll feel better..

And since you’re a BM hunter, kiting is actually a bit fun :) Freezing Traps, Conc shot and Intimidate is your friend, as is Aspect of the Cheetah.. see.. when’s the last time you got to play in a raid with that on?

I know what you’re thinking : “NABLET. X!#¤” turn on Hawk/Viper/Monkey/Beast, leave the Daze-fest alone. L2Kite”

Well, the problem is, you need to generate a TON of aggro on your kited Ghoul or Banshee, as the NPC’s will hammer away, and if you leave them on your ghoul, so it targets them, then after 5s after you lost aggro, you can’t get it back.
This is without BoS on, using all the high dps/threat instants and SS/Auto on every CD. A MM hunter might be better suited, as they have more damage/threat on single targets, but it’s perfectly doable as cookiecutter 41/20/0 BM.

You just lay down your trap in a nice place, do an AS, DS, Auto/Steady and then run behind the trap, AS, DS, CS and then you’re running past the Alliance NPC Boss camp.. up to the horses.
If you’re really skilled/practised, you’ll let your pet stun it, run back to towards the AOE camp, while its stunned and kite the ghoul and all the npc’s back the the AOE pile so they’ll be close once the ghoul is dead = more npc damage on the waves.

]]> By: Messyah http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/#comment-22571 Messyah Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:42:33 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1515#comment-22571 We 1-shotted the first three bosses in Hyjal last night, w00t! I got lucky... this dropped for me: <b>Pillar of Ferocity</b> <i>Binds when picked up</i> Two-Hand Staff 136 - 293 Damage Speed 3.00 (71.5 damage per second) 550 Armor +47 Strength +96 Stamina Durability 120 / 120 Requires Level 70 Equip: Increases attack power by 1059 in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms only. Its a bit strange being an Alliance raid and fighting side-by-side with Thrall, but the fights are fun and let me tell you, Thrall handles his business! He (and his adds) accounted for about 13% of the damage on the 3rd boss. We 1-shotted the first three bosses in Hyjal last night, w00t! I got lucky… this dropped for me:

Pillar of Ferocity
Binds when picked up
Two-Hand Staff
136 - 293 Damage Speed 3.00
(71.5 damage per second)
550 Armor
+47 Strength
+96 Stamina
Durability 120 / 120
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases attack power by 1059 in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms only.

Its a bit strange being an Alliance raid and fighting side-by-side with Thrall, but the fights are fun and let me tell you, Thrall handles his business! He (and his adds) accounted for about 13% of the damage on the 3rd boss.

]]> By: Knurd http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/#comment-22568 Knurd Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:37:41 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1515#comment-22568 I found the fight to be pretty much as you described it ... so boring infact that I only briefly wrote about it in my blog ... and the only reason why it got mention is it was our first downing on of her, and I got the bracers. It was fate with my roll of 97! I am hoping the rest of hyjal is a little more interesting from the view point of the hunter ... I found the fight to be pretty much as you described it … so boring infact that I only briefly wrote about it in my blog … and the only reason why it got mention is it was our first downing on of her, and I got the bracers. It was fate with my roll of 97! I am hoping the rest of hyjal is a little more interesting from the view point of the hunter …

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/#comment-22527 Anonymous Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:13:24 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1515#comment-22527 Kael and Vashj are great fights, don't just skip them. We spent weeks wiping on both of them combined, and it creates an atmosphere of dedication. In the end, that is what kills bosses. I can also say that we have never wiped on Rage. Not once, and that is a unicum. Kael and Vashj are great fights, don’t just skip them. We spent weeks wiping on both of them combined, and it creates an atmosphere of dedication. In the end, that is what kills bosses.

I can also say that we have never wiped on Rage. Not once, and that is a unicum.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/#comment-22486 Anonymous Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:08:07 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1515#comment-22486 No offense but you're not a MH guild until you've earned the right to the free loot found therein. Kill Vashj and Kael first. No offense but you’re not a MH guild until you’ve earned the right to the free loot found therein. Kill Vashj and Kael first.

]]> By: Linnara http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/#comment-22483 Linnara Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:00:22 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1515#comment-22483 Congrats on making it to MH, there is definitely some good loot to be had. I know we were working on Vashj/Kael for several weeks (we had been in MH for about a month before 2.4 came and wiped out the attunement, really helped us fill those extra raid slots some nights). The first 2-3 bosses in each MH and BT are very doable. In fact, as far as BT goes, I think the first one is the tough guy (shade of akama is such a pushover). So long as you've got the healers, its very possible to go 3/5 MH and 3/9 BT before Vashj and Kael bite the dust. Congrats on making it to MH, there is definitely some good loot to be had. I know we were working on Vashj/Kael for several weeks (we had been in MH for about a month before 2.4 came and wiped out the attunement, really helped us fill those extra raid slots some nights). The first 2-3 bosses in each MH and BT are very doable. In fact, as far as BT goes, I think the first one is the tough guy (shade of akama is such a pushover).

So long as you’ve got the healers, its very possible to go 3/5 MH and 3/9 BT before Vashj and Kael bite the dust.

]]> By: Felandra http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/#comment-22475 Felandra Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:27:35 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1515#comment-22475 On loot were were unlucky. Being total newb to MH we had a classical Master Looter, and as such it was often too chaotic. Hence we lost at least three epic pieces on wipes and plain old vanishing. We learned our lesson and put up Group Loot after messing around with FFA, which wasn't too hawt considering those in need would need to be contacted about it and then run to theloot itself. On loot were were unlucky. Being total newb to MH we had a classical Master Looter, and as such it was often too chaotic. Hence we lost at least three epic pieces on wipes and plain old vanishing.

We learned our lesson and put up Group Loot after messing around with FFA, which wasn’t too hawt considering those in need would need to be contacted about it and then run to theloot itself.

]]> By: Madchikken http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/#comment-22473 Madchikken Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:57:33 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1515#comment-22473 My guild is at the same kinda level as you now BRK, we've working Vashj but took a run into MH the other week. Gotta say, was suprised how easy the first 2 bosses were, did Rage on 2nd try and on first pull of Anatheron (sp?) wiped at 1%, yes 1%!! Only loot Ive seen worth having is the boots off 2nd boss, but our tankadin loved the mace that drops off trash! Dont forget to ride up the mountain road after bosses and mine anything you find, loads of lovely epic gems ready to be cut! Carrying on working vashj now, got to phase 3 as we wiped last week so see if can progress on that! Hope the latter bosses are more worthwhile in hyjal tho :) MadChikken on Aggramar My guild is at the same kinda level as you now BRK, we’ve working Vashj but took a run into MH the other week. Gotta say, was suprised how easy the first 2 bosses were, did Rage on 2nd try and on first pull of Anatheron (sp?) wiped at 1%, yes 1%!!
Only loot Ive seen worth having is the boots off 2nd boss, but our tankadin loved the mace that drops off trash!
Dont forget to ride up the mountain road after bosses and mine anything you find, loads of lovely epic gems ready to be cut!
Carrying on working vashj now, got to phase 3 as we wiped last week so see if can progress on that!
Hope the latter bosses are more worthwhile in hyjal tho :)
MadChikken on Aggramar

]]> By: Cauthon http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/04/22/rage-more-like-yawn/#comment-22472 Cauthon Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:50:01 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=1515#comment-22472 I agree with Furio and Smoke -- if you haven't killed Vashj and Kael'thas, it's a little iffy calling yourself a Hyjal guild, at least not with it meaning what it used to. Yeah 2.4 lets you in, but any guild could walk into Hyjal and take down Rage (seriously, he's a pushover, probably easier than Lurker or Void Reaver). I hope you guys take down Vashj and KT before seriously trying to spend time in BT or Hyjal; they are very, very rewarding fights, and the skill/teamwork your guild learns on them will be used in much harder fights down the road. I agree with Furio and Smoke — if you haven’t killed Vashj and Kael’thas, it’s a little iffy calling yourself a Hyjal guild, at least not with it meaning what it used to. Yeah 2.4 lets you in, but any guild could walk into Hyjal and take down Rage (seriously, he’s a pushover, probably easier than Lurker or Void Reaver).

I hope you guys take down Vashj and KT before seriously trying to spend time in BT or Hyjal; they are very, very rewarding fights, and the skill/teamwork your guild learns on them will be used in much harder fights down the road.

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