..thanks I guess lol. I dont raid anymore.. Lately AW has had some people leave, come in, etc…the usual stuff that happens during this time for a raiding guild..hopefully they settle in now and start getting new kills soon.

What I mean by effective dps is the DPS it shows in wws under “DPS” lol
DPS time is what % of the time you are doing DPS in the fight (during the time your alive). I am assuming you mean the Leo fight right? That fight you are going to see lower dps time %’s than usual because of the nature of the fight. At first my dps time was low on that fight but after I got more experience in the fight my dps time went up (dps time was low because I just focused on staying alive at first lol). Either way if you had more dps time than all all the ranged on that fight.. that’s kinda weird lol, well not as weird as having a dps kitty being 4rth lol.

Hight DPS + DPS time= Win
You could tell alot from a player just looking at their WWS report lol.

Whoops, my bad.

effective dps?, I think you just confused me more.

The week before I was 100% in the fight, no death. I was 3rd in total damage (right behind BRK :P) with a 68% DPS time but 4th in DPS (excluding the DPS of a healing pally on his inner demon). The people ahead in DPS had less than 60% DPS time. I was the top melee DPSer and actually had more DPS time than the ranged ahead of me on the WWS.

P.S. I just wanted to reply to Waynebrady

P.S.S. I think your guilds website rocks.

If some guy is doing 600 dps and not dying….that’s bad lol
If some guy is doing 1200 dps lets say but he dies almost all the time early….that’s bad too lol

Of course DPS time changes with each battle and strat. called for. I know for supremus (when I used to raid) my effective dps numbers went to crap. The reason is that half the fight is mobile and I had to keep on moving ( can’t just stand there and push my macro), so I used more instant shots and stuff like that. My effective dps went down, at least from other fights. Of course I could have been an eepen whore and not attacked supremus in his gaze phase and waited until the stand and shoot phase to pad my effective dps, but my overall dps would go down because my dps time would have gone down….

Dont know if that helped you lol.

P.s. also in terms of eepening when most people mentiond dps they mean effective dps aka something like ” I did 2,000 dps on rage” etc…

1) I understand what DPS is, I guess the difference in the 2 numbers then is the time spent DPSing the fight but the numbers in WWS don’t seem to mesh to what the math would say… dunno… what’s better, a high DPS if you stand around half the raid or lower DPS with greater overall damage? I don’t have an opinion I just wonder which is more important especially when the numbers don’t add up. I have always looked at my total damage as where I am among my peers, never really strict damage per second numbers.

2) This is a good point however another feral was in my party and I don’t believe the buff stacks.

3) We tend to use BRez rarely and usually mine is a last resort since we have like 4-5 other druids in the raid.

My death was my fault, I thought the MT for the fight had picked back up Leo but someone else with less snap agro had picked him up temporarily and 2 crits later and a useless cower and I was dead. I am not losing any sleep over it as I have done Leo over a dozen times now and this is the first time I have pulled agro and died as a result. A matter of fact on the first kill we had on him I switched to bear in a move of desperation and we downed him with myself and 2 left standing.

From a non-raiding theorycrafter’s perspective:

1) DPS only counts the damage you do over the time you do it. Ten thousand damage over 10 seconds is 1000 DPS; twelve thousand damage over 20 seconds is 600 DPS. Lower DPS in the second case, but more damage.

2) Most DPS also buff the raid in some way. Your death caused your groupmate’s DPS to drop around 4% or so (just counting the lost criticals, not abilities that proc off crits), and made the healers work harder.

3) Your early death also robs the raid of a battle rez.

Was your death your fault for doing too much damage/aggro and/or sacrificing survivability for damage? No idea. But as a kitty you’re generally in the raid for three reasons: Your battle rez, (Improved) Leader of the Pack, and MQoSMDPS. You can’t do any of ‘em if you’ve faceplanted.

BRK doesn’t use a damage macro. There’s a post or two in his archive explaining why he doesn’t use one.

Me, I use one, and it lets me get the absolute most damage out of my gear. BRK feels differently.

We are at the same exact speed and similar DPS on paper dolls, and I have been having to struggle to keep up on being #1 as well. :/
I wonder sometimes if armor pen ISN’T even better than haste?

Which macro are you using?
I still seem to be putting out more damage with Manito’s 3:2.

-spooks

Ok, but when I am #1 next week on Leo I want lots of accolades.

How about honorable mention for top melee DPSer and 3rd in total damage on Lurker then… throw kitty a treat since bear already got a bone.

Question, I am really new to this Epeening thing, is DPS better than Total damage and why are they not more in line as far as ranking, you would think the person with the highest DPS would have the highest damage total too would you not?