Headdesk
Ya wanna play with the piper, ya gotta dance with the girl that brung ya. That’s what we’re saying.
Anonymous WWS report, we’re Titan. NOT ONE ELEMENTAL got through to Vashj. Except maybe on the last attempt when the Tainted elementals ALL spawned at the same spot.
For the most part, we have Phase 2 nailed. Now it’s just staying alive during the poison bombs.
5%. We got Vashj down to 5%. So. So. SO. Close.
Felandra on 13 May 2008 at 9:04 am #
Ouch… Hate those single digit wipes.
Furio on 13 May 2008 at 9:08 am #
How are you dealing with the spore bats? phase 3 is a joke when you have 2 hunters with hawkeye owning their face.
i noticed your spec is unchanged which makes me think you guys aren’t doing that.
you should never wipe on phase 3 if you have at least 20 people up after phase 2.
Fathul on 13 May 2008 at 9:25 am #
Ack, tell Dew to take Rake off of his/her action bar asap. I know it was probably an accident since there’s only 1 in 3 hours of raiding, but still.
Logan on 13 May 2008 at 9:33 am #
Affliction warlocks are also nice on the spore bats. We used to have them DoT up Vashj and then go on bat duty.
If your bat control is pretty good, then your issue might be DPS. As Furio mentioned, phase 3 is really a formality as long as you have enough people alive.
If you’re going into p3 with enough people alive but still not getting her down, work with your other DPS classes to figure out how to maximize their damage.
If you don’t have enough people alive going into p3, work with your raid on survival skills or your healers on raid healing. Healthstones, health pots, and bandages should be used liberally, as healers have a LOT to heal in phase two and can’t always get that last second heal out to players who get zapped, poisoned, and zapped again in short succession.
If your raid is good with all of that stuff, then make sure they’re not under the false impression that the green stuff on the ground in p3 heals. It doesn’t.
Pre-emptive grats on your incoming Vashj kill!
shake on 13 May 2008 at 10:04 am #
Hunter names after the moons of Saturn
Mage names after harry potter spells ??
Pally names after Constellations
Warrior name are Arabic ??
Drood names after atmospheric anomaly
Priests names from the daughters of Zeus
Rogue names are stances from Japanese martial arts
sorry was bored during down time. not sure about the mage and warrior ones but i think i got the rest right. why no locks?
Doogie2K on 13 May 2008 at 10:05 am #
I saw the 6M and the 5.8M and I thought, “nooooooo!”
Our only experience with Vashj is an intentional wipe at the end of a frustrating night getting clobbered by friggin’ Lurker, as a way to put the fun back into the proceedings. It worked out quite nicely. I have a screenshot somewhere, I think.
Grimbert on 13 May 2008 at 10:18 am #
BRK - Move your BM hiney and 2-3 other ranged dps’ers to the part of the inner circle facing the bridge. Even if you’re not 3/3 Hawk Eye, you can get off 1 Steady, 1 Auto + 1 Arcane before the bat is out of Range. If you have MM/SV hunters with 3/3 Hawkeye, they’ll be able to do ~2x that.
With 3 BM 41/20/ZERO specced hunters + a lock when we had it, we’ve been able to shut the bats down, making phase 3 into phase 1 = EZ mode.
You’ll spend 10% of your time on the bats, the last 90 can be applied to Vashj.
Dotting the bats is nice, but that enables them to spray that nasty goo everywhere (atleast 2-3 puddles per bat = BAAD).
The safest bet is 2-3 hunters (depending on Hawkeye status) with one lock dotting twice for safety.
Anglachel on 13 May 2008 at 10:29 am #
From the look of that WWS report it seems like your arms warrior is PvP specced… he’s not using slam and Blood Frenzy is not on the debuff list on Vashj.
Your raid leader may need to have a talk with him… that extra 4% to physical damage is too good to pass up.
of course, if the report is bugged, like it says on the bottom it may be, then i’m just talking out of my rear end.
WB on 13 May 2008 at 10:58 am #
Yeah, slam is missing from the MS warrior, which is a big hit on Wahid’s DPS. However, I don’t think Blood Frenzy appears in the debuff list (at least I haven’t seen it in any of my WWS reports.) Seems like it should, but I went back and checked mine and didn’t see it.
Jacemora on 13 May 2008 at 10:58 am #
@ Fathul,
I am Dew, and yes Rake was an accident as was obvious since I did 1 in 3 hours… but thanks for pointing it out anyway.
I do need to get it off my bar, I had left it there after doing some testing farming Wintersaber rep on the Elite giants.
All in all i thought we did pretty well considering we had no Warlock in the raid.
Doomilias on 13 May 2008 at 11:17 am #
our problem was most definitely the bats. by the last 10% almost the entire radius of the main floor would be filled with poison pools…and getting rooted inside a poison pool with no cooldowns to use is the suck.
Thar on 13 May 2008 at 11:33 am #
I will reiterate that having 2 or 3 hunters on Sporebat duty will make Phase 3 sail bye. Create a macro (from memory, so it might be wrong):
/tar toxic
/cast Arcane Shot
Spam that till you see the arcane shot go off, I usually dot them with Serpent Sting too. Just keep them away as long as you can, this keeps the green goo off the floor allowing everyone else to focus on tanking, DPS and heals without having to scramble. You guys are almost there!!
kunukia on 13 May 2008 at 11:54 am #
I can’t access the report, no link for some reason.
Jageria on 13 May 2008 at 12:20 pm #
Warrior names are numbers in Arabic (Google FTW!)
Bristinie on 13 May 2008 at 12:24 pm #
The warlocky absence shouldn’t be a problem anymore.
For the Pie on 13 May 2008 at 12:40 pm #
If you have good dps still up for phase 3, you don’t really even need to mess with the bats, in my experience. I started shooting them and realized that while I killed a few, it wasn’t hurting us to run around the green gunk. So, we all switched to the naga witch and burned her like it was Salem in the 1700’s.
symentol on 13 May 2008 at 1:36 pm #
if your single digit wiping, your as good as gold, a couple more people get their roll down and your golden. i predict by this time next week you’ll be posting about Vashj Death.
good Luck Man.
Yardbo on 13 May 2008 at 2:11 pm #
BRK, once phase 3 starts. Another hunter and you should go to the southern part of the platform. Keep killing them as they pop up (I think they come about 15-20 seconds apart at first) and don’t worry about Vashj as much until about 10%. Then blow her face off. BTW!!!! You better roll on that bow! Killed the bitch 5-6 times and never saw it
I got my [Vengeful Gladiator's Longbow] though. So, I guess it doesn’t matter. I would have liked to of added it to my collection though.
~Yardbo
P.S. When you’re standing in the southern part. Do not touch the steps. I heard it enrages her or makes the bats come faster or somthing. So, when the last generator is about to drop EVERYONE needs to get off the stairs before its dropped.
Fathul on 13 May 2008 at 2:14 pm #
Sorry Jacemora, I didn’t mean to call you out, but seeing Rake makes my eyes bleed :). I certainly wouldn’t question the wisdom of someone with a screenshot of himself doing over 2000 dps.
Jacemora on 13 May 2008 at 2:36 pm #
@Fathul
Hey, I am always looking for advice… even with doing 2K DPS on some random SSC trash…lol
GoA is a wonderful thing… and a deadly one… lol… Agro is tough to shed if you crit 4k shreds back to back to back to back to…. well, you get the idea. On that particular mob I probably Crit a ton, I am surprised I lived.
SSC on 13 May 2008 at 11:16 pm #
judging by the report, it seems there are more then a few dps class who are not carrying their own weight. The is t5 content, not kara. Time to tell your guild leader to hurt some feelings.
Andover on 14 May 2008 at 8:28 am #
@BRK: Ever try to explain to people DPS time and relate that to their performance on a fight? Every fight you’re 87%+ DPS time, most of that time in the 90%+ while others are are riding in the 70% range?
Show them the WWS report of % time they spend DPS’n and then show them the WWS report of the time the healers spend healing.
Maybe then they will pick it up and do what they are supposed to be doing, like killing things and holding their own.
Skorak on 14 May 2008 at 8:55 am #
@shake
You missed the shamans, whom I had to look up. Their names are from the names of letters in Tolkien’s Tengwar script used to write his elvish languages.
And geez, nearly 60% of your shaman’s heals were LHWs? Please tell him Chain Heal 4 is his (and your raid’s) friend.
Jacemora on 14 May 2008 at 10:59 am #
@SSC
We are a casual raiding guild which leans more social… I think the point is to get through the content with people you like playing with.
@Andover
The people DPSing the elementals can have some DPS downtime if their area is clear. In this fight I think you are going to see ranged with better DPS time than melee since they can stand at the top of the stairs and shoot at more than 1 type of add during phase 2. Melee also lose DPS time when they have static charge, are rooted, are stuck waiting at the bottom of stairs for a spawning taininted, etc. Basically, it is typically not good to compare DPS time of ranged and melee unless you are fighting a stationary boss or a fight that doesn’t have parity in the two types of DPSer.
Fathul on 14 May 2008 at 11:12 am #
Yes, but BRK is consistently at the top of the DPS time charts, even over the other ranged classes, and often by a wide margin. Europa is the only other ranged character even sniffing the DPS time that BRK is getting. Surprisingly enough 2 of your warriors, Sifr and Wahid, are also near the top and generally ahead of even ranged DPSers other than BRK and Europa.
Now, I have no familiarity with this fight whatsoever, so perhaps BRK is getting a role in this fight that gives him an advantage in keeping DPS time high. However, the disparity is so large that I have a hard time believing that the other ranged classes can’t keep up if they work and focus on it.
Jacemora on 14 May 2008 at 11:19 am #
@Fathul
Wierd, looking at our best attempt, BRK had more DPS time than our tanks. I am guessing either WWS goes wacky in this fight because of the distance involved from one end of the platform to the next or Melee DPS time is really down due to getting snared by Vash.
Brigin on 14 May 2008 at 11:42 am #
BRK covers 2 areas by himself which might explain why he has more dps time. He has more elementals to kill and thus have less downtime.
Fathul on 14 May 2008 at 11:50 am #
“BRK covers 2 areas by himself which might explain why he has more dps time. He has more elementals to kill and thus have less downtime.”
I thought something like that might be the case. The disparity in DPS times between him and the entire rest of the raid was too big to just be slow reactions by the rest of the raid.
roxxyy on 14 May 2008 at 12:06 pm #
Phase 2 is fun for hunters. If you stay at stairs for water elemental and core.
Phase 3 is easy with two or three hunters using serpent sting and other instant shot.
Kaleta on 14 May 2008 at 1:07 pm #
yup, feel your pain…. last night we did a full-guild (no pugs!) shot at magtheridon for the first time…. and had a lovely 3% wipe
chin up!
Anglachel on 14 May 2008 at 1:15 pm #
yeah, single digit wipes suck… i’ve been on my fair share of 1% wipes… i’ve had to punch the walls for a few minutes after each of those…
Skulane on 14 May 2008 at 11:41 pm #
Keep on fireing i know you willkill her soon enough