Comments on: Thou Shalt Not Cheat*

By: AC

AC — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:43:57 +0000

“Not everyone realizes there is a difference, but to be legal the macros cannot do more than one action per keystroke.”

This isn’t correct, there are certain situations when the WoW client macro language lets you do multiple things with one keypress, such as druids shifting out of one form and into another with a single keypress, or for using non-GCD abilities like Nature’s Swiftness with a healing spell for an instacast heal:

/cast Nature’s Swiftness
/stopcasting
/cast [nostance, help] Healing Touch; [nostance, target=player] Healing Touch; [stance:5, help] Regrowth; [stance:5, target=player] Regrowth

The key to using a G15 is to make the macro’s in the WoW client using it’s builtin macro capabilites, then map those to keys and map those keys to the extra G15 keys so they’re all close together.

one thing to note, Logitech discontinued the 18 key version of the G15 for a 6 key version, which is nowhere nearly as usefull. Look for older G15’s or G11’s if you are interested in getting this keyboard.

By: AC

AC — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:26:04 +0000

Blizzard has stated, on the record, that using a G15 is *not* bannable unless you’re using it to do something illegal (using it’s software to macro things that you’re not supposed to macro outside of the client):

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=28357794&pageNo=1&sid=1#6

I also have a G15, and I do use the keys and the supplied software, but I only use the software to map key combinations to the extra keys, then I make in-game WoW macros and map those to things like CTRL-ALT-4, etc. This way I can use the in-game macro capabilites of the WoW client, and also use my G15 to put those macros and other things close together, making them much easier to use.

By: Lorilie

Lorilie — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:50:22 +0000

So I got suspended for 72 hours today. I have never botted. Dont even know how I would do that. It said I was suspended for 3rd party software. Yes i have addons but they are all from a reputable site.

The only way to commincate regarding this is through email…I havent gotten a response yet but its only been like 6 hours. My biggest problems are 1. I dont think I did anything wrong. 2. If I somehow did do something wrong I have no clue what it is and wont be able to fix it without knowing.

By: Miztify

Miztify — Wed, 28 May 2008 10:34:34 +0000

Blaming the G15 is scurrilous. Blizzard support it and have stated on their official forums that using it is perfectly fine. What IS against the EULA though is using the keyboard to create any kind of automated botting (ie – you’re not sitting at your character) – but then that’s the same as with any software.

This scaremongering is pretty pathetic, maybe get your facts right and do a little research before going on a rant?

How do you know that Lama hasn’t cheated/botted? Merely his own declaration of innocence… how many botters hold their hand up and say ‘yes, i cheated, your ban is perfectly justified’?

By: Bubblebot

Bubblebot — Tue, 27 May 2008 11:35:43 +0000

@Fuinequendi,
You’re so naive to the world. Yo obviously have no relationship to anyone other then the neighborhood children probably, because otherwise you would know, best friend or not, people keep secrets from eachother.
And yeah, I did have trouble comprehending your message, your grammer and structure was almost impossible to read.

By: Harmun

Harmun — Mon, 26 May 2008 15:04:55 +0000

I’ve been temporarily banned in the past. I did nothing wrong, and as soon as I got the attention of someone at Blizzard, they reinstated me. I couldn’t get a straight answer from them about what I had done to trigger the ban, but it must have been something subtle because I was a badly geared, poor level 30 that had only been playing for a couple of months.

The problem is that no matter how good your algorithm for identifying cheaters is, there will always be false positives or false negatives. Either you make it so tight that you ban a bunch of people who did nothing wrong but got flagged by the algorithm, or you make it so loose that only blatant cheaters get in trouble and smart cheaters can adapt to hide better.

The reason Blizz needs to ban cheaters is so I don’t feel like I’m working for nothing. The best answer is somewhere in the middle- they need an algorithm strong enough that it will catch lots of cheaters and probably a few innocents, but they need a way for people to quickly and efficiently claim their innocence, as well as get back the money they spent on subscription fees while banned.

By: Cealean@Akama

Cealean@Akama — Sat, 24 May 2008 23:40:54 +0000

Funny thing:

I was looking at the prizes for the WWI Dance contest Blizzard is holding in Paris.

One of the prizes is a G15.

By: The Vegetacron

The Vegetacron — Sat, 24 May 2008 11:45:25 +0000

I’m glad i did’nt buy one of those keyboards last christmas. This whole thing sucks and hope dude gets unbanned. I totally agree with BRK’s POV on this issue.

By: Xoshe

Xoshe — Sat, 24 May 2008 04:28:24 +0000

@Rob:

“Spam” how? As in use the G15 software to write a script so that you just hold down the button and it always triggers? If so, yes that is disallowed and always has been. If you mean trying it to a key button and rapidly pressing it, though, that’s fine.

One would get and use the G15 because it has those extra (and handy) buttons that you can map to skills and macros you made using the in-game editor. That’s what I use mine for.

By: AL

AL — Fri, 23 May 2008 23:55:13 +0000

Your post is immature. Fine if you’re 12, no problem, but if you are, dont expect people to take you seriously. Is there anything wrong with blizzard monitoring every keystroke a gamer makes? So what if they install “bots” on your computer. Wouldn’t you rather they make tremendous effort to prevent cheaters, than to let cheaters ruin your experience of a multiplater game? You write as if Blizzard want to spy on you like some red army in the 50s. Are you comments in wow chat really that…. significant ???? You LOVE the game, you CHOOSE to play it, you would be SUPER-PISSED if you had to quit playing because dishonest people we’re not harshly tracked and banned…

I dont know if your friend is innocent or guilty, and I’m sure Blizzard make mistakes – they couldn’t be 100% accurate all the time. But the tone of your defence, emotionally immature and obviously taking your friend’s side just because he is your friend, lends nothing to your case.