Comments on: Tankadummies http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/ World of Warcraft Hunter Blog Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:59:36 -0600 hourly 1 By: Recent URLs tagged Dps - Urlrecorder http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/comment-page-1/#comment-37497 Recent URLs tagged Dps - Urlrecorder Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:01:13 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=2331#comment-37497 [...] recorded first by niquefz on 2008-12-28→ Tankadummies [...] [...] recorded first by niquefz on 2008-12-28→ Tankadummies [...]

]]> By: 2ndNin http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/comment-page-1/#comment-27703 2ndNin Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:57:22 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=2331#comment-27703 One other thing to add, Avenger's Shield is smart. In the above example, you target D, the shield may very well target B, C, and then D. It doesn't do what you tell it to, it does what it can to maximise hits (and often this means it actually misses the desired target). Sorry, avenger's shield isn't smart, in fact its dumb, its annoying. The correct place for a trap is in the line of the pull, who cares which mob is trapped (or if we did why isn't the hunter running to put it on that mob?), I want aggro on a trapped mob, so if it breaks it comes to me not the healer or the Hunter who gets themselves killed. CC should always be: ...........Mobs ..........|.CC...| Pull corridor ..........|...CC.| .......__|..CC..|______ Kite Path ...../....|..CC..|..........\ ....|.CONSECRATION ..| ....|..CONSECRATION...| ....|..CONSECRATION...| ....\.......Healer........../ .....\______________/ CC in front of or to the side of the tank, kite around consecration, and the Healer is close. Tanking outwith the pull corridor / front arc is annoying for a tank because it makes it hard to see. One other thing to add, Avenger’s Shield is smart.

In the above example, you target D, the shield may very well target B, C, and then D. It doesn’t do what you tell it to, it does what it can to maximise hits (and often this means it actually misses the desired target).

Sorry, avenger’s shield isn’t smart, in fact its dumb, its annoying. The correct place for a trap is in the line of the pull, who cares which mob is trapped (or if we did why isn’t the hunter running to put it on that mob?), I want aggro on a trapped mob, so if it breaks it comes to me not the healer or the Hunter who gets themselves killed. CC should always be:

………..Mobs
……….|.CC…| Pull corridor
……….|…CC.|
…….__|..CC..|______ Kite Path
…../….|..CC..|……….\
….|.CONSECRATION ..|
….|..CONSECRATION…|
….|..CONSECRATION…|
….\…….Healer………./
…..\______________/

CC in front of or to the side of the tank, kite around consecration, and the Healer is close. Tanking outwith the pull corridor / front arc is annoying for a tank because it makes it hard to see.

]]> By: Souvraya and Luna http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/comment-page-1/#comment-27677 Souvraya and Luna Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:06:26 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=2331#comment-27677 I read this, and many other posts complaining about tankadins. And I find myself baffeled. I run with a more or less constant group (we're four regulars who sometimes has to pick up our last one if our mage is playing golf), and our main-tank is a paladin. And I must admit that he was actually the one who thaught me to chain-trap. Ok, it was me doing the trapping, but he was the one in the beginning who told me where to put the first trap, and he was the one who stopped the mage from sheeping before I had my trap under control. He is pure gold to run with, and I find myself hating to run with warrior tanks, as I pull aggro off them, even with BoS and close scrutiny of OMEN/zealous use of Feign Death. Give me a good tankadin, and my day is made. ^^; I read this, and many other posts complaining about tankadins. And I find myself baffeled. I run with a more or less constant group (we’re four regulars who sometimes has to pick up our last one if our mage is playing golf), and our main-tank is a paladin. And I must admit that he was actually the one who thaught me to chain-trap. Ok, it was me doing the trapping, but he was the one in the beginning who told me where to put the first trap, and he was the one who stopped the mage from sheeping before I had my trap under control.

He is pure gold to run with, and I find myself hating to run with warrior tanks, as I pull aggro off them, even with BoS and close scrutiny of OMEN/zealous use of Feign Death. Give me a good tankadin, and my day is made.

^^;

]]> By: Tank and DPS - In Harmony | Evil Sheep http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/comment-page-1/#comment-27634 Tank and DPS - In Harmony | Evil Sheep Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:43:25 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=2331#comment-27634 [...] I’ve been involved in a cross-blog conversation over at Big Red Kitty and Typhoon Andrew, but rather than using their blogs to step up on my soapbox, I figured [...] [...] I’ve been involved in a cross-blog conversation over at Big Red Kitty and Typhoon Andrew, but rather than using their blogs to step up on my soapbox, I figured [...]

]]> By: Cuz http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/comment-page-1/#comment-27616 Cuz Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:54:29 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=2331#comment-27616 BRK you are a funny guy BRK you are a funny guy

]]> By: Typhoonandrew http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/comment-page-1/#comment-27611 Typhoonandrew Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:14:49 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=2331#comment-27611 @Harmun - "Are you forgetting something from the typhoonandrew response BRK? If you mark a target for CC, avenger’s shield will skip it." Nope, marking a target does nothing more than just pop a symbol above the monster's head. I wish it were true that a mark had influence, but alas we still must do it the old fashioned way. However some CC will skip, others will break instantly when hit by the Shield. Sap or Sheep will not break, but a trap would. That only helps too if the Sap or Sheep is already in place when you use the Avengers Shield. Typically a AvShield will be used to initiate the pull. In Mgt I can see a use, Sap a caster, Sheep pull with the mage who runs like heck behind the Paladin. Pally Consecrates and AvShields which loads up on threat, but does not break the Sap or Sheep. @Harmun – “Are you forgetting something from the typhoonandrew response BRK? If you mark a target for CC, avenger’s shield will skip it.”

Nope, marking a target does nothing more than just pop a symbol above the monster’s head. I wish it were true that a mark had influence, but alas we still must do it the old fashioned way.

However some CC will skip, others will break instantly when hit by the Shield. Sap or Sheep will not break, but a trap would. That only helps too if the Sap or Sheep is already in place when you use the Avengers Shield. Typically a AvShield will be used to initiate the pull.

In Mgt I can see a use, Sap a caster, Sheep pull with the mage who runs like heck behind the Paladin. Pally Consecrates and AvShields which loads up on threat, but does not break the Sap or Sheep.

]]> By: Harmun http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/comment-page-1/#comment-27610 Harmun Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:31:04 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=2331#comment-27610 Are you forgetting something from the typhoonandrew response BRK? If you mark a target for CC, avenger's shield will skip it. Are you forgetting something from the typhoonandrew response BRK? If you mark a target for CC, avenger’s shield will skip it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/comment-page-1/#comment-27607 Anonymous Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:00:55 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=2331#comment-27607 CC stands for Constant Consecration. I play a 70 Prot Pally and BM Hunter and if your Prot Pally can't handle the adds in any 5 man he isn't really a tank. That said, if said Prot Pally doesn't know how the Shield Chains in Raids than he is indeed a "Tankadummy" CC stands for Constant Consecration. I play a 70 Prot Pally and BM Hunter and if your Prot Pally can’t handle the adds in any 5 man he isn’t really a tank. That said, if said Prot Pally doesn’t know how the Shield Chains in Raids than he is indeed a “Tankadummy”

]]> By: Neven http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/comment-page-1/#comment-27606 Neven Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:25:56 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=2331#comment-27606 I was lucky enough to get in a Kara run few nights ago as a hunter, and got Salved. And Salv it was all the way we ran, despite me doing about three successful FDs at Moroes, and not being one of the Garroted people. /sigh Maybe it was their noob protection, wouldn't know. And as a pallytank... I would sure as hell Salv a hunter in my instance group. I've seen so horrible hunters on my server that I wish I could stack the damn thing on them. FD is for kids! What, Growl can be turned -off-? My pet can tank that trash just fine, no matter that its identical brother Mortal Strikes the hell out of the tank. No, really! I was lucky enough to get in a Kara run few nights ago as a hunter, and got Salved. And Salv it was all the way we ran, despite me doing about three successful FDs at Moroes, and not being one of the Garroted people.

/sigh

Maybe it was their noob protection, wouldn’t know.

And as a pallytank… I would sure as hell Salv a hunter in my instance group. I’ve seen so horrible hunters on my server that I wish I could stack the damn thing on them. FD is for kids! What, Growl can be turned -off-? My pet can tank that trash just fine, no matter that its identical brother Mortal Strikes the hell out of the tank. No, really!

]]> By: Typhoonandrew http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/07/26/tankadummies/comment-page-1/#comment-27593 Typhoonandrew Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:23:05 +0000 http://www.bigredkitty.net/?p=2331#comment-27593 Btw - check out the Australian Rhino Cockroach, its a beast. As an Aussie Pally Tank this is what you fight when you fight me. Btw – check out the Australian Rhino Cockroach, its a beast. As an Aussie Pally Tank this is what you fight when you fight me.

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