Comments on: Paladin Love

By: parts

parts — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:21:54 +0000

Thanks for this, I have been looking for something like this to do our blog.

By: Kblah

Kblah — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:57:13 +0000

@doom:
I lol-ed IRL “DPS envy” … in case you missed it I play a hunter. Always have, always will. Anyway, I won’t continue this here, I guess there’s enough of this trolling on Blizz’s forums.
And your question is very good BTW: what IS the point of pure DPS classes ? My opinion is there is none TBH, a raid can function just fine without us. But it’s damn fun to play as pewpew.

By: /Sad

/Sad — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:45:50 +0000

I regularly follow this blog because my main is a hunter and the stories are typically entertaining. This – however – just seems to be another one of those stories where some nub beats another nub and thinks that he is a PVP god.

BRK – this would mean something if you were known for PVP like Megatf. So, thanks but no thanks to the bridge to your bridge to nowhere – we can get enough of this @$#% on the WOW forums!

By: Doomilias

Doomilias — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:22:42 +0000

kblah, your failure to see my point was obvious in your first post. its as simple as this: if a hybrid dps spec can perform better than a pure dps class, while being able to switch – MID-RAID – between dps and tanking or dps and healing…well, what the hell is the point of having a pure dps class? if you employ your logic to evolve the options each class can use to PVE, the homogonization will continue to a point where everyone can either heal, tank, or dps equally.

you are suffering from dps envy, and its ok…youll get over it.

By: Kblah

Kblah — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:31:31 +0000

@doom, sonvar:
A tank needs only *ONE* tree to do his job properly. A healer needs only *ONE* tree to do his job properly. I fail to see why you expect DPS to be any different. If Blizz was to say “alright, all you pure DPS classes can only pewpew anyway so here, go deep in two of your trees” then yes, I would expect more damage from hunters/rogues/locks/mages when compared to the hybrids. Otherwise I fail to see your point.

By: DC

DC — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:21:23 +0000

I love how you start a post on class balance with a lengthy series of anecdotes about how awesome you are against Ret Paladins, before going on to talk about how everyone else has been getting steamrolled by them.

As far as I know, you’re not one of those guys who spends hours on his realm forums, arguing with other grown men about who’s better at slaying cartoon monsters, but you do have one of the biggest internet egos I’ve seen. It’s like the time you posted screen caps of the stats from BGs you were in — any ‘tard can go 23-5 when the opposition is horribly geared, but of course you went into great detail about how amazingly you played.

You remind me of one of those guys who can’t help himself as he bores the shit out of his adult friends with stories about his college days, always ready to one-up the next guy’s stories with anecdotes about your — naturally greater — awesomeness.

Do you corner people at work and tell them how awesome your Hunter in World of Warcraft is?

By: Sonvar

Sonvar — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:37:50 +0000

I have to agree with Doom. Pure DPS classes should be able to out dps any hybrid class. Note that I said should because specs they choose, skill, and the fight itself can play into it.

Hybrid classes specced for dps should be competitive with pure dps classes but I would never expect as a whole that a hybrid class would outdo pure dps classes. There are certainly fights that will give those hybrids dps classes an advantage but not every fight is going to lend to it. Because while being a hybrid class Blizz has to balance giving you abilities that are specific to each tree which pure dps classes won’t have as all there trees are for dealing damage. Though they will have some utility/CC abilities also but overall are given more class skills that are damaging abilities than a hybrid class.

By: Karsh

Karsh — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:19:54 +0000

Imo the whole idea of the paladin class is wrong. Plate healers?….with total immunity spell, fast heals, instant 100% heal. It sounds extremely stupid on paper.

I do however think that there should be a paladin class. But they should be somekind of holy warriors. Not holy healer/warrior hybrid. A melee class that use magic (judgements etc). The healing aspect is what fucks paladins up. Because they can heal themselves so damn well they get extremely overpowered when they also get very good dmg capabilities.

Too bad tho because they can hardly recreate the class now.

By: Dradis aka Ryukyu

Dradis aka Ryukyu — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:29:36 +0000

I think right now a lot of Paladins would settled for sustained mana regen. Every other melee dps class/spec has way to quickly regenerate their energy resource. The exception may be Enhance Shaman, but my bro has one, and he never seems to be starved for mana, probably due to totems and Shamervate, possibly Water Shield. Paladins did have JotW. But, it has been dialed back so much its virtually useless. It might as well be the old talent that was in that spot for as much good as it does. Oh, well.

“What do you expect us to use? Harsh language?” -Aliens

By: doomilias

doomilias — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:28:38 +0000

you took my second comment out of context…which is the one you responded to:

“Now to claim that only those 4 classes should be able to properly DPS is pure nonesense. If a class has a DPS tree it should be able to DPS to the highest possible standard, otherwise that tree is nothing but a waste.”

again, never once have i said they shouldnt be able to PROPERLY dps. and i do agree that they should be able to dps to the highest possible standard…but i think that the hybrid dps standard should be set somewhat, but not entirely out of sight, below pure dps classes.

and yes, i do expect to do more damage, as a rogue, than a ret pally. and i think it IS silly for a ret pally to EXPECT to do more damage than a pure dps class.

whats the point of pure dps classes if they cant do their job better than the hybrids? at that point, give EVERYONE a healing tree, a tanking tree, and a dps tree. wouldnt that be fun?