Comments on: We Brave More Insults

By: Fahr & Bacon

Fahr & Bacon — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:21:22 +0000

I give you props Brigwyn.

Nicely stated.

/target Brigwyn
/cheer

By: Brigwyn

Brigwyn — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:02:29 +0000

BRK – Could you at least give me props for providing the info found in the comment “Furnurgler on November 30th, 2008 6:03 pm “.

Thanks.

By: Brigwyn

Brigwyn — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:01:08 +0000

To Calidon –
Actually? Your incorrect on your assumptions of a 10% hit cap. There hasn’t been anything that I’ve found to point that one out. I’d be happy to discuss this with you off of BRK’s site, but I can assure you, the current debate (highlighted by Drotara of Less QQ, More Pew Pew and Lactose over on EJ’s is that it seems that the Hit Cap is at 8% with the possibility of the additional 1% being related to the change of how the Pet Hit Mechanic works.

By: Brigwyn

Brigwyn — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:58:11 +0000

I’m so late posting a comment to this that it might not even be viable anymore. But here’s my thought on the whole thing.

The two views being expressed are both valid, but with the tie going to BRK and here’s why.

It has been argued time and time again that your Hit Rating is not the end all or be all stat. Since hunters seem to be on a 2 Roll system, it does seem that it would make since to stack it, but then again there is a point of deminishing returns. Even the best raiders and theorycrafters have stated if your 1 – 1 1/2% off hit cap in favor of +Crit or another BALANCED stat then you were more than okay. More than that, then reconsider.

Finally, the topic of Hit Cap is being debated. We’re finding that the cap may be 8% and not 9%. It seems the game mechanic might have changed when they changed the pet hit mechanic.

By: Callidon

Callidon — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:52:02 +0000

Firstly:

CALM THE HELL DOWN!

Its people like you that flame incessantly with your offensive comments that devalue almost every thread on every blog/forum going about WoW.

Secondly:

The change affected physical and Spell mechanics. The fact that the two had their mechanics merged to use the same values should be evident to you if you really ARE elitst, if not, you are infact, just a jerk.

By: Elitist Jerk

Elitist Jerk — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:59:50 +0000

I’m this impressed.

NOT.

How about you spec proper and do a long enough fight for the dot to count? My scorpid(!) in my non-exotic (Read: I value DPS over level 2 shiny pidgeys) spec does 2k DPS in 10mans. 4k dot ticks are not something to be trifled with.

Now stop flooding every newb huntard’s brains with “ZOMG LOQUE IS LE BEST PET HANDS DOWN”.

Callidon: You’re retarded. This change affected ONLY spells. The hitcap is the same (rumors on the internets suggest it’s been lowered to 8%) so it’s back to 297 rating for you. Learn some game mechanics before making retarded and asinine comments.

By: Callidon

Callidon — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:59:50 +0000

I think you ALL, including BRK, seem to have missed an exceptionally important thing in all these calcualtions and maths. The standard unconquerorable 1% miss chance on bosses no longer exists. Therefore to get your hit capped its not 9% anymore but 10%.

This is 330 hit not 297.

Thats without a SquidGoatMan, we rule for saving hit expense, and 3 points in focussed fire.

You can get enough +hit to make sure you NEVER miss. No RNG misses anymore, Blizz said so in a blue post i spotted over on MMO-Champ, and i confirmed it with a GM.

By: corryl

corryl — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:26:19 +0000

As far as the actual context of this, I always maintain full hit, regardless of what combination of gear/gems/focused aim points/enchants I have to make. As soon as I upgraded from those Fang of Truths (I have had 4 upgrades since those), I lost a lot, but was able to make it up elsewhere. It seems like for a while there my upgrades from blues to 10 man naxx gear was killing my hit, but a couple 25 man naxx runs later and 2 pieces of T7 with full enchants/gems/etc. I only talent one point in to focused aim and I beleive I am .3% off from full hit but never miss even though you always have a chance.

By: corryl

corryl — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:19:59 +0000

I am happy to see this! Every other hunter and their pet are blasting me every time I walk through Dalaran with my Spirit Beast about how horrible their DPS is compared to cat or devilsaur, although I am always 40(ish)% of the damage in 5 mans and blow every hunter I play with that has a cat out of the water, yes I have noticed these bugs in effect, but thanks for giving me some more data to back up my side!

By: Whitecow

Whitecow — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:02:31 +0000

A very late response that probably no one will see:

Regarding Hit Rating, it looks like WotLK has changed the miss formula. On Sunday a “Hit rating” thread was created in the Elitist Jerks Hunters forum (http://elitistjerks.com/f74/t37714-hit_rating/), and reports of unexpectedly low miss rates soon followed. The general observation is that the hit cap for raid bosses has been reduced to 8%.

An interesting related observation from the thread is that the added Hit from the Focused Aim talent does not apply to pets, making FA less useful to BM hunters for whom pet DPS is more significant.

The following image linked in the thread illustrates both points: http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2577/hit8pv0.jpg It is also amusing: BigRedKitty is missing.