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		<title>By: yunk</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/12/09/we-know/comment-page-3/#comment-36145</link>
		<dc:creator>yunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I still don&#039;t understand about Blizzard is why they always over nerf or over buff with every patch. It&#039;s never a small change, see what happens, then another small change. That&#039;s how you tune code (or guitars, or cars), not these wild swings where it goes too far, then you pull back, but go too far again, back and forth. That&#039;s not how you tune anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I still don&#8217;t understand about Blizzard is why they always over nerf or over buff with every patch. It&#8217;s never a small change, see what happens, then another small change. That&#8217;s how you tune code (or guitars, or cars), not these wild swings where it goes too far, then you pull back, but go too far again, back and forth. That&#8217;s not how you tune anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukefarer</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/12/09/we-know/comment-page-3/#comment-36009</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukefarer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rilgon:

You&#039;re kidding...O^O

But why use numbers so obviously skew?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rilgon:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re kidding&#8230;O^O</p>
<p>But why use numbers so obviously skew?</p>
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		<title>By: Rilgon Arcsinh</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/12/09/we-know/comment-page-3/#comment-35994</link>
		<dc:creator>Rilgon Arcsinh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lukefarer: Very few of the WWS reports being used as ammunition in the argument are demonstrative or representative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lukefarer: Very few of the WWS reports being used as ammunition in the argument are demonstrative or representative.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukefarer</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/12/09/we-know/comment-page-3/#comment-35977</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukefarer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BRK:

Well, now I know why people complain about your spam-filter.  Short version - the numbers on the report don&#039;t add up - calculating DPS from total damage and %ge time DPSing they seem to overstate DPS by c6% for both you and the Enh Sham.

Again, the Enh Sham spent a lot of time healing.  Your healing would affect your DPS not at all - what about his?

I ask because your numbers are being quoted on the WoW thread as if they are representative; but if the lack of a primary healer is disproportionately affecting the other DPSer in the group, they just aren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BRK:</p>
<p>Well, now I know why people complain about your spam-filter.  Short version &#8211; the numbers on the report don&#8217;t add up &#8211; calculating DPS from total damage and %ge time DPSing they seem to overstate DPS by c6% for both you and the Enh Sham.</p>
<p>Again, the Enh Sham spent a lot of time healing.  Your healing would affect your DPS not at all &#8211; what about his?</p>
<p>I ask because your numbers are being quoted on the WoW thread as if they are representative; but if the lack of a primary healer is disproportionately affecting the other DPSer in the group, they just aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Rilgon Arcsingh</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/12/09/we-know/comment-page-2/#comment-35971</link>
		<dc:creator>Rilgon Arcsingh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s not going to be doing half damage or anything&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, it&#039;s going to be doing about 70% of normal damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s not going to be doing half damage or anything</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it&#8217;s going to be doing about 70% of normal damage.</p>
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		<title>By: Bytorsnowdog</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/12/09/we-know/comment-page-2/#comment-35970</link>
		<dc:creator>Bytorsnowdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Azlen
Rilgon is a real hunter, and a well respected one at that. Maybe you should think or at least find out who a person is before you make comments just to try and make yourself out to be a big tough guy.

I love being a BM hunter but I also love the MM tree (who doesn&#039;t love seeing massive crits pop on the screen!)
I have my spirit beast but am currently trying out some MM builds to see what I enjoy playing the most. At the end of the day it&#039;s a game and should be about enjoyment.
I for one will be playing the spec I enjoy regardless of whether it&#039;s the ultimate dps build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Azlen<br />
Rilgon is a real hunter, and a well respected one at that. Maybe you should think or at least find out who a person is before you make comments just to try and make yourself out to be a big tough guy.</p>
<p>I love being a BM hunter but I also love the MM tree (who doesn&#8217;t love seeing massive crits pop on the screen!)<br />
I have my spirit beast but am currently trying out some MM builds to see what I enjoy playing the most. At the end of the day it&#8217;s a game and should be about enjoyment.<br />
I for one will be playing the spec I enjoy regardless of whether it&#8217;s the ultimate dps build.</p>
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		<title>By: Shiina</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/12/09/we-know/comment-page-2/#comment-35968</link>
		<dc:creator>Shiina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPS Ranges of all DPS specs:
BM Hunters: 6462 - 3030 (The latter didn&#039;t even have a pet)
MM Hunters: 5345 - 4096
Mages: 6290 - 3435
C. Rogues: 4778 - 2995
Mut Rogues: 4592 - 3318
Warlocks: 5736 - 3046
MS Warriors: 4820 - 3760
Fury Warriors: 5279 - 3748
Moonkins: 5142 - 3331
Feral Druids: 5212 - 3677
S. Priests: 4575 - 3260
Enh Shaman: 4833 - 3893
Ele Shaman: 3740 - 2504
Ret. Paladins: 4546 - 3185
Death Knights: 4397 - 3179

Yep, BM hunters don&#039;t need nerfed, do we? Mages need one too, but come on people. These nerfs altogether will likely not even take us to third, and we definitely won&#039;t be fourth after this.

And people are overreacting to the Steady Shot nerf. The formula right now is weapon damage+ammo+(RAP*.2+252).  After the nerf, it&#039;ll be weapon damage+ammo+(RAP*.1+252).  It&#039;s not going to be doing half damage or anything, like some people have suggested. At 

We aren&#039;t going to lose our raid spots. We aren&#039;t going to become lolBM like in classic WoW. This just means that we won&#039;t be able to top meters while playing one handed, while talking on the phone and  browsing the internet on a laptop.

I wish that was hyperbole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPS Ranges of all DPS specs:<br />
BM Hunters: 6462 &#8211; 3030 (The latter didn&#8217;t even have a pet)<br />
MM Hunters: 5345 &#8211; 4096<br />
Mages: 6290 &#8211; 3435<br />
C. Rogues: 4778 &#8211; 2995<br />
Mut Rogues: 4592 &#8211; 3318<br />
Warlocks: 5736 &#8211; 3046<br />
MS Warriors: 4820 &#8211; 3760<br />
Fury Warriors: 5279 &#8211; 3748<br />
Moonkins: 5142 &#8211; 3331<br />
Feral Druids: 5212 &#8211; 3677<br />
S. Priests: 4575 &#8211; 3260<br />
Enh Shaman: 4833 &#8211; 3893<br />
Ele Shaman: 3740 &#8211; 2504<br />
Ret. Paladins: 4546 &#8211; 3185<br />
Death Knights: 4397 &#8211; 3179</p>
<p>Yep, BM hunters don&#8217;t need nerfed, do we? Mages need one too, but come on people. These nerfs altogether will likely not even take us to third, and we definitely won&#8217;t be fourth after this.</p>
<p>And people are overreacting to the Steady Shot nerf. The formula right now is weapon damage+ammo+(RAP*.2+252).  After the nerf, it&#8217;ll be weapon damage+ammo+(RAP*.1+252).  It&#8217;s not going to be doing half damage or anything, like some people have suggested. At </p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t going to lose our raid spots. We aren&#8217;t going to become lolBM like in classic WoW. This just means that we won&#8217;t be able to top meters while playing one handed, while talking on the phone and  browsing the internet on a laptop.</p>
<p>I wish that was hyperbole.</p>
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		<title>By: Azlen</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/12/09/we-know/comment-page-2/#comment-35962</link>
		<dc:creator>Azlen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When you submit some valid (i.e. PVE) concerns, we’ll start caring.

Until then, 404, damn not found&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pfft..go away junior.  Come back when you are a real hunter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When you submit some valid (i.e. PVE) concerns, we’ll start caring.</p>
<p>Until then, 404, damn not found</p></blockquote>
<p>Pfft..go away junior.  Come back when you are a real hunter.</p>
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		<title>By: Rilgon Arcsinh</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/12/09/we-know/comment-page-2/#comment-35960</link>
		<dc:creator>Rilgon Arcsinh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought Blizzard were smarter than this, guess I was wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They&#039;re trying to pander to all the crybaby PVP children (like the last person I quoted) so they won&#039;t leave in droves.

Let them leave, I say. Get the game back to 1.0 - remove honor, remove BGs, remove Arenas, and let&#039;s make WoW the PVE-focused game it used to be and should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I thought Blizzard were smarter than this, guess I was wrong.</p></blockquote>
<p>They&#8217;re trying to pander to all the crybaby PVP children (like the last person I quoted) so they won&#8217;t leave in droves.</p>
<p>Let them leave, I say. Get the game back to 1.0 &#8211; remove honor, remove BGs, remove Arenas, and let&#8217;s make WoW the PVE-focused game it used to be and should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Dazed&#38;Confused</title>
		<link>http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/12/09/we-know/comment-page-2/#comment-35958</link>
		<dc:creator>Dazed&#38;Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These changes make no sense to me and seems like an over-reaction, what percentage of the hunter population are completely out DPSing the other classes? I doubt it is across the board by any large percentage, I know I&#039;m not in the instances I&#039;m running. Is it a problem with the overpoweredness of the class or a problem with overpowered gear overenhancing the class? A well geared hunter with the same spec as me will easily out DPS me I have no doubt, but these proposed nerfs will affect me far more then those Hunters lucky enough to have good gear.

I also disagree with the continual need to balance classes, it is a fruitless exercise that just results in the developers chasing their tails the whole time. Dark Age of Camelot had about 36 classes and Mythic continuously tried to tweak the classes but it did more harm then good, especially when classes were being artifically boosted with buffbots all the time. I thought Blizzard were smarter than this, guess I was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These changes make no sense to me and seems like an over-reaction, what percentage of the hunter population are completely out DPSing the other classes? I doubt it is across the board by any large percentage, I know I&#8217;m not in the instances I&#8217;m running. Is it a problem with the overpoweredness of the class or a problem with overpowered gear overenhancing the class? A well geared hunter with the same spec as me will easily out DPS me I have no doubt, but these proposed nerfs will affect me far more then those Hunters lucky enough to have good gear.</p>
<p>I also disagree with the continual need to balance classes, it is a fruitless exercise that just results in the developers chasing their tails the whole time. Dark Age of Camelot had about 36 classes and Mythic continuously tried to tweak the classes but it did more harm then good, especially when classes were being artifically boosted with buffbots all the time. I thought Blizzard were smarter than this, guess I was wrong.</p>
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