Here’s Why
Meet Megs.
Megs is a level 78 Wasp, the LSD Wasp of Doom. We just tamed her! Let’s take Megs to a heroic!
Since the final bosses in heroics are level 82, Megs is four levels below the boss. Even with 2/2 in Animal Handler, eliminating most Dodges, we can’t stop the Misses. And what will happen to Megs’ DPS?
In the crapper is what happens. Look at those Misses. Massive loss of damage, for no reason other than level-difference.
Imagine you’re not a BM hunter, and you take your level 78 — or even worse, 75 — pet into a heroic, what’s she gonna do? She’s gonna stink up the place, and you’re gonna look silly.
If you’ve got a non-fully mature Megs of your own, try to refrain from taking her to heroics where you’re not positive you’re going to crush the place. Yes, you can get some good pet-leveling from a heroic, but are you willing to put your own personal agenda ahead of your party’s?
Is your Megs really worth it?
(Note: This is not as far as we could’ve taken this joke. We could’ve chosen to use the screenshot below, but but we quite properly didn’t. “Impaling Megs” just isn’t the kind of humor we here at BRK WWA support.)
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[...] your CC buttons, stand BEHIND the mobs, and please, for the love of the flying spaghetti monster, do not bring your level 75 pet so you can “get him some levels”. And don’t be afraid to chug a health potion if [...]
Not if your personal DPS is in the neighborhood of 2500+.
Either way, that bug is HUGE.
Like, HOLY CRAP.
I won’t get one as bugs bug me, but man do they still look cool.
Did I mention Huge?
P.S
You should write a post on WHERE to go to train your level 75-79 pets to get to that magic 80 number.
Haha nice pet name. I imagine you’re going to get a browser-full tomorrow BRK. WTB more love for the wasps. Seriously. I’m talkin’ T-shirts.
I was rocking the Sapphire Hive Queen on Beta before she was cool/immortalized as the LSD Wasp. /harrumph
Although I’d buy a Wasp t-shirt in a heartbeat. /nod
Gooood, let the hate flow through you… use it… bend it to your will… from hence fourth you shall be…. Rise Darth BRK!!!
…. Do what must be done
… Do not hesitate
… Show no mercy…
…*breath*…
am I allowed to stink up a heroic pug, with a pet I am leveling? I mean, I’m doing them a favor by not going afk…….anyone?
If it were a guild run I’d play nice.
Even with underlevelled pets, I still find that I always top meters in heroic pugs.
Most players are baaaad. WotLK’s not really that demanding that you need to worry about minmaxing, anymore. At least not at the moment.
I’ve been running with this pet in instances since level 78 for two reasons:
1) It’s awesomely ginormous
2) Ever since AQ I’ve always wanted one of these puppies, they’re absolutely gorgeous.
On a side note, I’m just about fed up with Riglon’s near identical BRK personality; he uses “/emote” phrases in the middle of his sentences, he has damn near the same picture, and he runs a blog that nobody cares about. Develop your own style, you biter.
Gee, that can’t be because they were both drawn by the same person!
/facepalm
Oh wait, sorry.
*facepalm*
Better?
I treat Rilgon as a version of BRK that responds to comments
A wasp named Megs? Not quite as original as you could be. What does your Ramparts-canine Megs have to say about this?
900 dps with a ~20% miss-rate is still pretty sick. Is there any theorycrafting based around Sting and 4 non-druid physical DPS in a run?
Addendum:
I see you appear to have introduced comment moderation. Any particular reason for the change?
Further addendum:
Oh, I guess you moderate comments with hyperlinks in them. Smart.
Sorry for the triple-post.
Megs is so going to hurt you.
Oh and not touching the impaling Megs comment….Nope…not gonna
@ Edamil – Hey, my pictures SO don’t look the same! I’ve worked hard on them. =( I have actually made them for several different bloggers at this point. BRK and Rilgon are some of the most “active” people that use them. So don’t worry, it doesn’t mean anyone is trying to copy anyone, just some people like to comment more than others! ^_^
Okay, I came in here to say one thing, and one thing only:
One time I was in a level 70 raid with a hunter who brought a level 44 boar.
And it was funny.
The end.
/bow
My herbalist hunter got one of the Bogflare Needlers from Zangar, and my priest spent 3 levels farming up the mini-pet for her. So she now runs with her wasp called ‘Serenity’ and her identical mini-pet, that Blizz named ‘Firefly”. I have never gotten so many whispers about a pet name before.
Everyone knows looks>skill.
There is automatic comment moderation in the form of any comment with two or more hyperlinks is automatically held for moderation. Nothing personal against anybody, and we always run through the comments to “approve” those that are obviously deserving. And if you just toss one hyperlink in your comment, you’ll have no issues.
There is never a need to apologize for double of triple commenting. We know the “edit” feature doesn’t work for everybody.
LSDWoD is the biggest useful pet we have for PvE, (Baby Rhino’s knockback is harmful, so don’t bring him without fill disclosure to and approval of your party.) He’s a fabulous pet, we recommend everybody at least try him.
Dear BRK, ignoring everything said here. Let’s cover a few things:
1) This is the umpteenth time you’ve covered this topic.
2) You’ve made your point, (I think as clearly as you’re ever going to get it)
3) Some men (and/or women) you just can’t reach. (so you get what we had here last week… which is the way he want’s it.)
4) To further clarify my point: you’ve reached everyone you’re going to reach with this and everyone else is going to do what they want, no matter how stupid it is.
a) Blizard has gone out of their way to make it REALLY easy to level your pets. You never have to level them more than 5 levels, they require 1/6th of the experience per level. Really, what more could you want people? I personally think it’s ridiculous that people continue to do this, but whatever.
5) Finally, I’m requesting that you let it go, let the huntards out there do what they will, as much as I wish you could, you can’t stop them. So go back to writing stuff for the rest of us!
Thank you, that is all.
@ TVR -
Pet leveling is fine. But WotLK was a very interesting expansion that gave us a ton of non-kill quests. Which your pet does not benefit from.
I swapped back and forth between two pets, and only two (with a few brief excursions into new pets that I was testing) from 70-80. When I dinged 80 those two pets were each 77. It’s not quite as easy as it looks.
I am not at all trying to complain about the pet leveling, or bash you at all… just sayin’, not all of us with low-level pets are “huntards” =P
@TVR: And doubly so for those of us who’re bringing a low-level pet into a Heroic. Before turning on the flame jets, check their spec.
I have taken a few of my pets to heroics with my select group of friends who do Heroics. DPS is definitely affected and everyone WILL get on your case. Instead join certain Non-Heroic instances that you haven’t finished for any achievements and level your pet in there. If you’re doing heroics your DPS will be phenomenal in a equal level non-heroic and your pet will level at the same time. Just my .02
BRK, it’s not the pet’s level thats the problem, it’s the pet family. Wasps have been discussed a lot on Mania’s blog and forum, because people found out that for some weird reason, they don’t output as much damage as other Ferocity pets. This has nothing to do with their family skills, but due to Blizzard messing something up and one of their stats is lower.
I honestly don’t remember which one it is, but I do remember it was one that affected their damage. I think it was Ghostcrawler who replied that they would have a look at it, but so far it has yet to be fixed. This is sad cause Wasps are really cool pets. But right now hunters are better off with pets from the other families. =(
[quoteblock]Imagine you’re not a BM hunter, and you take your level 78 — or even worse, 75 — pet into a heroic, what’s she gonna do? She’s gonna stink up the place, and you’re gonna look silly.[/quoteblock]
1% Wipe. Thanks mr. 75 pet!
[quoteblock]P.S
You should write a post on WHERE to go to train your level 75-79 pets to get to that magic 80 number.[/quoteblock]
You should be able to figure this out for yourself. If a pet is lvl 75 go run a lvl 75 instance or pew pew crap for an hour in the area in Northrend which has lvl 75 mobs.
Pet leveling is anything but easy. Each pet level is 165,000 points of pet experience, and your pet gains no experience from any quests you do. Only from killing stuff. So that means to get a pet from 75 to 80 you need 825,000 points, or roughly 825 kills at an average of 1,000 exp each. Though there are mobs that yield more exp, they take longer to kill so it all balances out to about 8 to 10 hours of grinding per pet for single-target pets like cats. For 4 pets that is 32 to 40 hours of grinding just to level a few pets to the point you can see whether it suits your play style to bring them to an heroic or not. If you don’t like the pet you get to do this all over again for the replacement. Of course some pets start at higher than 75, but it is still a lot of time grinding for nothing.
Pet leveling should be eliminated altogether so we can fully explore each of the many pet families without having to go through the relentless grinding needed to make a pet ready for prime time. Pet leveling is tedious, unnecessary and stupid. It adds nothing of value to the game whatsoever, so why not just get rid of it? There are enough time sinks in the game without adding grueling hunter-specific time sinks like this one. Given Blizzard’s alleged pursuit of “balance” in PVE, this is a pretty severe imbalance between us and the other pet class, warlocks, so it should be taken out.
I see you brought me into Heroic UP.
As in UP YOURS BRK.
My first UK run on the beta included another Hunter with a Rhino. I maintain that Rhinos bring to an instance run a degree of unpredictable excitement unmatched by any other pet choice.
I disagree. Get your lowbie pet out whenever you go to do dailies. I’ve leveled a Cat, Chimaera, and Gorilla to 80 since hitting 80, and it was trivial.
That said, I’ve brought a 78 Cat to Heroics and still topped the DPS meters. I wouldn’t do it if I knew we were going to have a challenge ahead, but with an all-guild group in an easy Heroic? It’s not going to hurt anyone.
Having a level 75 Ferocity pet when doing dailies is infinitely more of an inconvenience/pain in the ass than having one when doing a heroic.
I think my hunter has a tiny advantage as far as pet leveling, due to his being a leatherworker. Pet needs leveled? Mobs in Sholazar are around 75-76, and I know my pets can tank up to +3 their level quite nicely. And everything there is skinnable. Problem solved?
I am leveling my kitty with my hunter, I don’t use another pet til she levels, then get her out again once Boogga gets another level. It’s working fine so far, but it means I’ll have 4 pets to get from 75-76 to 80 when he reaches 80.
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@ Pike
44 Boar? HA! I see your 44 boar and raise you a Lvl 18 raptor from Wailing Caverns! Had to keep him about 30 feet back from the group though +_+
@ Silgon
I agree that it’s a pain, but it’s one way to practice your kiting. Plus, if you’re grinding someplace with a large amount of crafting mat drops, it can be profitable. I leveled my wolf Link by farming the wretched on the Isle of Quel’Danas before the patch came out. I also made a decent amount of money. =D
OK, I never intended to imply that pet leveling was ‘easy’ or fun. Just that they’ve made it much easier and less tedious than it WAS. If you don’t have time to level a bunch of pets, do some research first, figure out what pets are most likely to suit your style ahead of time. Or find a pet that’s already level 80 (or at least closer to it). Sure locks don’t have to level their ‘pets’ but they also don’t get anything like the variety and customization for pets that hunters get.
Perhaps pets should get xp from quest rewards. I could see them putting that in, but I doubt they will ever start having pets be instantly advanced to your level and I’m not sure that I would agree that they should.
I had a Rhok’delar pre-BC and was able to solo Drakkisath from 100% to about 89% back when people decided “hey, kiting Drakkisath is the best way to down him!”. My kiting skills haven’t faded much since then.
And none of my tradeskills require killing things, and if they do, I’m going to have Kongsecrate with me.
That wasp is banned from our raids. Far too huge and in the way.
Then ensure that a Druid exists to provide Faerie Fire, because that’s why Ayamiss comes to Naxxramas with me.
Frankly, my guildmates love her. Ya’ll need to get your panties out of a bunch, IMO.
@ Klinderas
i know this is way late
but i trained pets out in ymirhiem in icecrown, the respawn rates were pretty good on the guys and they all die pretty easy, it does take a while i put on some family guy and went to town for a few hours, every 22 enemy’s was one bar (individual bar not total bar) of xp for him so it took a few hours but wasnt to bad, the bones picked up also turn in for some items you can use out there, (saveing those atm for possible use in the icecrown raid) and they also give a very small amount of rep.
I found that at lvl 53 I could kill a lvl. 58elote devilsuar with gorrilla, or 27 lvl 54 gorrilas, I love them so much :p
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