Being Right About Everything
Do you read PTR patch-notes? Do you scan blue-posts? One of the things we don’t do frequently here is re-post stuff from these sources, and that’s for two reasons:
1. We assume you read this stuff already.
2. A blog should be more than a regurgitation of someone else’s ideas, italicized and bolded, and sold as “new content”.
If you take a snippet of a blue-post, then write something about it, an analysis or opinion, well that’s blogging.
If you copy/paste a blue-post, then write, “and that’s what the developer said,” well that’s /fail. Too many blogs fall into this trap, and not just beginner-blogs either.
All this being said, there are some very important blue-posts today that demand some commentary. Let’s get started.
DPS comparison between classes
The context is everything. If players are comparing themselves to a dual-wielding DK doing 7000 dps, yes then of course they are going to feel like their dps is puny. But in that example they are comparing themselves to a class in a broken situation. If we notice that players with low or high numbers always have a certain spec then it might lead us to find a bug in the spec. Assassination rogues are a little low at the moment because there was a bug in Master Poisoner for a long time that nobody detected. When we fixed it, their dps dropped. Some fights greatly favor certain classes or specs. Patch is great for classes that can blow their cooldowns to great effect. Warriors like fights like Thaddius with lots of free rage generation through damage. The context is everything.
We like numbers and it awesome that the WoW community is so good at providing them. Just don’t leap to conclusions that the numbers can’t support.
Hunters, specifically BM hunters, are likewise very dependent upon Context. Heigan the Unclean in Naxx is extremely pet-unfriendly and a BM hunter will be very hard-pressed to top the damage meters here.
Many people write that the BM hunter is a very easy class to play, and of course we demand Context be remembered. In a fight where a BM hunter can stand still and not worry about pet-survivability, then our only concern is a proper shot rotation and maintaining our mana. If we can accomplish those tasks, then indeed we shall claim the damage meters as our own.
But against Heigan, and other pet-unfriendly encounters, being able to keep a pet alive is what separates the average BM hunter from those truly skilled at the spec. Being a BM hunter is about “pet survivability”, not shot-rotations. You can have the most precise shot-rotation ever, but if your BM-pet dies, your DPS is going to be cut by 40-50%. Think your Quartz addon can counter that?
Cunning pets overall just are a waste of code at this point. Roar of Recovery is useful, but at a 6min cooldown makes it a drop in the bucket.
While 400 dps is low, you are making the assumption that anything that isn’t a raiding pet is a waste of code. Those pets weren’t intended to be for raiding – that’s what Ferocity pets are for.
For BM hunters, taking anything other than a Ferocity pet to a raid is indeed, in our humble opinion, a mistake, But other classes, for whom a pet’s DPS is a much smaller percentage of their total combined output we slightly disagree.
If you’re a MM/SV hunter in a raid with no class capable of reducing a mob’s armor, yet you have classes that would benefit from armor reduction, we see no reason at all not to bring a Worm or even a Sporebat to your raid. Min/Maxing parties in raids may be passé, but bringing a specific pet to match your raid makeup surely isn’t.
…While some players understand “scaling” perfectly well, it also gets thrown around a lot by less-informed players as the generic reason for why something fails (”RNG” occupies that niche on the PvP side of things sometimes). In the hunter case, it may be that they do scale just fine but it is irrelevant because we are rebalancing hunters for 3.1.
What is there to say about this other than… /setBRKpanicmode on
If you’re a PTR-worrier and think every new update is hysteria-worthy, you’re gonna have fun when 3.1 starts being tested. But before you spittle-shriek your outrage when the data starts coming in, read this:
…Elemental shamans were perplexed by why their numbers were different from ours and there was some amount of shouting that we didn’t know what we were talking about and why couldn’t we just accept the community’s numbers and balance around those? It turned out that the shamans had misunderstood the way a talent worked (almost certainly because of unclear statements on my part) and that when they were able to test on the PTR, their numbers were close to what we predicted. Happy ending.
When we test a talent or shot rotation on a target dummy, we use 200 rounds of ammo. But we read of EJ people regularly dropping 10,000 rounds for their experiments. These fine folks. who have the time to unload almost three ammo pouches of bullets into a test dummy, are easily capable of just plainly misunderstanding the dynamics of how stuff works.
When you read people’s thoughts about the PTR, and how the “entire hunter community is positive” and “we know for a fact”, please bear in mind that, you know what, perhaps they really don’t. The PTR is for Blizzard, not for us.
And finally, something we’ve said on both the WoW Insider and our own podcasts:
On [Lock and Load], we’re still messing with the specifics on it. It’s too early to comment until we have something we’re happy with.
The drunk programmer struck out with the 30 second cooldown and the PTR has not been, and may not ever be, updated. Be confident they are trying lots of different things, and not all of them make it to the PTR.
When you see things like a 30 second cooldown to your critical DPS-talent, don’t assume your tree is gutted and you’re going to have to reroll as a Holy DK or something else obscene. Test it, try it out, and report what you see. The PTR is not a projection of a definitive future; it’s a testing platform, that’s all.
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Interesting post BRK, well done. Looking forward to eventually reading the 3.1 notes and freaking out.
I took my BM Hunter over to the PTR a couple of nights ago.
I do as much dps there with my pet, as I do without my pet on Live.
To me that is unacceptable, for a variety of reasons.
My mage is coming along nicely though.
I’ve never gona over to the PTR so I do find these posts useful. I would read the blur posters on the forums but they are blocked where i work
“rebalancing hunters for 3.1″ is a scary thought coming from blizzard. While I do agree that there should be some balance between classes I feel that the major impact has been pvp. I started playing because of the PvE aspect and to be nerfed/buffed based on PvP or lol10sec.arena is insulting. If blizzard is so concerned with pvp then I suggest that they make an instance like zone where pvp rules apply and leave the open world for pve. They did this with CC why can’t they do this for everything pvp related. You zone in and pvp and then zone out and pve like “normal”. I don’t know where blizz is taking wow in the future but I hope it’s better then where it currently is.
I did it again! I wrote a whole elegant comment, clicked submit, and got that stupid javascript error! I can’t even get the text back by clicking “back”!
BRK, if you love us, please PLEASE fix this…
@ Azlen
If you worked with your existing spec, and didn’t try arcane and some other things, then yes, it’s gonna be ugly. That’s my biggest problem with the nerfs, is that there are ways around some of it, but, those who don’t know what’s coming are gonna look like they got hit with a truck.
@ Omy
“rebalancing hunters for 3.1? is really the only hope BM has right now. With the hits we have taken to scaling, and the major hits to pet damage, without the “promise” of a rebalance, BM would be dead in the water for a raiding spec.
The next few months will be hard, but we’ll likely see soon enough what they are intending, as I expect to see 3.1 on the PTRs soon after this patch finally gets out the door. That will be the time to see what they are planning, and panic accordingly.
Since I promised a few MM bloggers that I would not go MM, I might dabble with Surv, but more than likely I’ll stay BM if working with Arcane and the ways to improve it will help us get through the new few months.
(and the spam filter does indeed suck… BRK, you are loosing good comments..)
@Euripides,
Ctrl-C. Just get into the habit of it. You get burned enough times, you’ll just expect it. So select all, copy, get the error, hit back, paste, submit. It works every time.
Too much effort? Nah, you just spent 5-10 minutes crafting a beautiful comment, take the 10 second extra to save the frustration.
That was a great post, and even more of a reason to laugh at some of the people who have posted here saying “I already deleted my hunter to reroll as a ”
I’ve been ignoring PTR testing since GC has made comments about things like pet damage numbers not being correct in multiple pushes.
I topped the dps meters in our Heigan kill on Sunday, but that was only because the mage died after the first safety dance. >.>
Good times come, and they go.
Through buff, and nerf, we always hang around the top of the damage meters. Why?
We are hunters. We are the fusion of man, machine, and beast. We read, tweak, theory craft, and respec far more than the average player. We always find a way.
The days of the cookie cutter spec are over. Those hunters who can learn to match their spec to the latest patch, their typical raid composition, and the kind of boss fights they’re doing will continue do good DPS in raids.
Those who can’t, and prefer to fear monger and QQ, should go roll Death Knights.
I am BM. I like my cat and I don’t even consider other spec to nerf my cat.
I think, we are not talking about DPS nerf, we are talking about the ONLY thing we can do in a party/raid content.
Blizz killed CC-class in new content, and I dont see any CC in Naxx. Everything is just AOE-pull + dmg output + heal.
The ONLY thing we can do is dps. However, these days, people would get a Retadin, KM DK, instead of pure dps-er like rogue and mage. Reason? Blizz makes hybrid classes can do any many dps as pure-dps class do, AND they can do way more thing than we do. It is all about option.
We hunter do not have option. If our dps sucks, I really dont see any reason why we should in our raid instead of a retadin.
Here’s the other thing I read into the comments from GC:
The Patch is still more than at least a week away – i.e. not this Tuesday either.
Why? This comment: “On LnL, we’re still messing with the specifics on it. It’s too early to comment until we have something we’re happy with.” They are struggling with finding a way to make SV feel right and for LnL to work right. Maybe that’s directed at 3.1, but given that they’ve changed SV 2-3 times in anticipation of this patch, I woudln’t be surprised if we saw another SV chnage hit the PTRs BEFORE 3.08, in which case, we have to be at least a week away.
Love you all, but WP-SpamFree is not my baby. We yell at the developer all the time, though, so you’ve got that.
On the LnL changes, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if on their private test patches they are fiddling with having trap cooldown reduction abilities reduce the LnL cooldown too, but that would probably be too high dps, so maybe then explosive shot will get another reduction. Have to admit I was quite alarmed when they announced to counter the steady shot nerf all of survivals buff was coming in one shot!
I think they actually want to find either 1) a way to stop trap dancing or 2) a way to make it the aim of the spec and therefore a lot easier to do and less clunky. As to what we’ll see, only a crab knows!
“If you’re a MM/SV hunter in a raid [...], we see no reason at all not to bring a Worm or [...].”
“Hey BRK”
“Yes brain !”
“Open your web browser, et go take a look at the worm page on petopia”
[...]
“OK. Now what ?”
“See this big warning, noted as Important ?”
“Yeah!”
“Anything of interest ?”
“…”
In my experience, Hunter DPS on Heigan is far and away the highest of the raid. Why? Because they get to stand there, spam steady shot, heal their pets through 75% reduced aura damage during phase 2 (sometimes the healers help in this regard,) and they already had some of the highest DPS to begin with.
Melee classes have to run out and can’t to any damage to Heigan during phase 2. Hunters don’t have to slow down one bit. Neither do the casters, but their DPS isn’t as high as the hunters.
http://wowwebstats.com/mo125nmcfxafa?s=224114-239068
http://wowwebstats.com/meo6qn5ydqjci?s=167254-177810
These are the anonymous reports from two of our Heigan kills. In both cases, the BM Hunter is at the top of damage over a higher DPS Ret Pally, simply because he can DPS the whole fight and the Ret Pally has to run out. Simply put, if you’re a BM Hunter and you’re NOT top DPS on that fight, you need to change what you are doing.
@Maz
BRK IS human, and can make mistakes. He’s more likely thinking of a wasp, with it’s nature DOT and Armor reduction trait. They’re both bugs and do simillar things, not that hard to mixup.
Thanks for another great article BRK, and staying above the fray to provide the hunter community with a little perspective.
I like many other hunters heard about the changes (read nerfs) planned for 3.08 and freaked out a bit. I really appreciate that you are playing the role of wise sage for us.
After thinking about what the patch means for hunters for a bit, I am beginning to agree with some of the comments posted above saying that its a matter of adapting to the changes rather than QQ-ing about them. Life is change and we will have to adapt or be irrelevant.
I think we as hunters will still have the potential to be top of the damage meters, but we’re going to be challenged by mages, DKs, ret palllies etc. This could turn out to be a circumstance that widens the separation between the average hunters, good hunters, and hunters that really understand their class, pet management, shot rotations, and other skills that are integral to our class and/or each boss fight to squeeze out that last tick on the DPS meter.
I don’t think our class will be broken, it’ll just be different than before.
Any suggestions of a good aggregator of blue posts?
Great post, but I have to disagree about using ONLY ferocity pets in raids.
I’ve been using a scorpid since I started raiding at lvl 80, and it complements my dps like no other pet, completely outdpsing devilsaurs and cats.
Until 3.0.8, I must say: “Be tenacity, my friend”
@Consemilia
Of course. Blizzard re-broke scorpid poison scaling and now attempt to re-fix it using a band-aid on a flesh wound. (Protip: Lower the scaling coefficient and keep the 5 stacks)
It’s also somewhat related to AotB double dipping in hunter AP and pet AP.
As for “rebalancing hunters for 3.1″. Why does every other class feel simple and fluid while hunter feels like conducting a symphony as a paraplegic midget with Tourette’s?
Ferocity pets are good in raids, but for non-BM specs, cunning pets will be a viable option. If you are able to use one to avoid viper time as survival, for example, that’s an increase to your final DPS. Also, some of the cunning pets can come within 20% of the top ferocity pets in terms of pure DPS.
I will miss my scorpid post-patch… aside from his quirks (having to growl to regain happiness in combat, not being able to have more than one in a group), the DPS was best in class, and the extra survivability was really nice in fights that are pet unfriendly. Sarth waves where I huntard instead of recalling the pet, and the first phase of the Heigan fight in particular really allow the scorpid to shine
That’s a nice description of the way a lot of hunters feel about the class, including myself , TEJ.
I wonder if Blizz put in some ninjanerfs during maintanance yesterday. During my guild’s raid of Naxx I topped the meters by a good 600dps over the next closest on the maexnna fight and was 2nd behind a warlock by like 200dps on Grand Widow (or even less, I’d have to double check the WWS) but last night I was like 7th on the Grand Window and 9th on the Maexxna fight. I know those aren’t Patchwerk (which we aren’t downing any time soon if my guild’s gonna insist on carebearing by bringing undergeared people into 25 mans) but that’s a discrepancy that’s way too much for only a week.
I do. Worms are Exotic. >_>;;
Trust me, I’d actually use one of the ghostly jormungar if I could, since our raids are almost always devoid of Warrior.
@ BRK – a couple of clarifications.
1.) A hunter is inarguably the -highest- dps class on Heigan, BM in particular. Why? because with avoidance, Heigan’s aura is so pitiful that a mend pet + renew will be more than sufficient to keep it alive even during the dance phase. Furthermore, you have plenty of shots – auto, arcane, multi, and aimed if you’re specced for it, and can get off a steadyshot on the ends. of the phase. I have little trouble staying around 4.5-5k dps through the fight when the next highest non-hunter is barely at 4k. No other class except for the [pretty much extinct] affliction warlock can have over 50% of their damage still active during dance phase. If you have a scorpid, then it doesn’t even need renew. Good idea, bad example. A fight where a BM hunter is gimped is Thaddius, Loatheb, or Malygos where the pet either can’t get the damage increase buffs, or is an absolute pain to do so (Maly). If you’re going for the keep pet alive idea, then it’s either Kel’Thuzad or Sartharion.
2.) As previously mentioned, worms are exotic pets and therefore can’t be brought by raids by MM/surv hunters. Wasps however, are also ferocity pets and also bring minor armor debuff, so once again there is no reason to bring a nonferocity/scorpid pet to raids. The scorpid is hands down the highest single target dps pet, capable of 3500 dps by *itself* on patchwerk. It isn’t as good as the cat on trash or other mobs since it doesn’t have time to stack the scorpid poison, but it’s ridiculously good on long tank and spanks.
And I’m the only Hunter who sees a problem with this?
Thank god they’re getting nerfed to the ground in 3.0.8.
@Rilgon
You’re not the only one who sees it as a problem that a pet by itself can push out 3500 dps.
I’m glad that patch is coming, just means more people will be re-rolling DKs and I say let them. I’ll continue to play my Hunter come hell or high water.
Honestly Rilgon, I think you ARE the only hunter who sees a problem with that.
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The rest of us just don’t see it as a “problem” per se. Maybe more of an exploitable opportunity.:-)
It’s always interesting when people start feeling the anxiety of a patch being released. I think we’ve seen it time and time again where Blizz will patch something, trying to fix it. Only to have to later say oops.. we went too far, then try to make adjustments.
In this case give them some credit though. This patch has been on the PTR much longer than originally anticipated. The changes that seem to be happening, do lower the hunter’s dps, but also seem to allow for some flexibility.
As for LnL changes? I’m sure it’ll happen. For BM possibly having to spec deeper into the BM tree and start using a rotation? Well that’s already been debated and on the table.
I’m finding out as stated early on.. these changes are classified as nerfs in some cases, but I’m willing to give some kudo’s to Blizz for at least taking their time and working out some flexible solutions.
@WB:
The problem comes when things like this take away options from those of us hunters who are interested in aesthetics. I want to bring my wolf (for example) to the raid, you say. Scorpid DPS is higher, they say. But I LIKE my wolf, you say. Scorpid DPS is higher, they say.
But you can’t argue with numbers when it comes to raiding, so you drag your sorry little scorpid out of his stable and you run with him and you top the meters because he tears things’ faces off, but that’s still not fun to a lot of us if you don’t already LIKE scorpids. There is so much customization available to us hunters over every other class in the game, in terms of pet choices in particular. We ought to be able to take advantage of it, and whenever a pet or a cookie-cutter spec emerges as The Best, that takes away viable choices from us, which is a problem.
@ Rilgon
Yes you are, the problem is scaling. Now stop gloating over a nerf because it’s not your favorite playstyle.
Nothing prevented you from using a scorpid the past two months. Hell, I even foresaw the scaling issue and leveled with one.
@ Phael
That’s not entirely accurate. You need IMP to keep the disease off and it still hurts quite a lot. Especially if your tank drooled all over the keyboard and couldn’t place Heigan in the exact middle of the slime and crap filled dance room.
@ Sade
Consider Zorn’s lemma. There will ALWAYS be a maximum DPS spec with a maximum DPS pet. Those of us who care more about how fast the boss goes down than prettier pixels next to our own pixels realize that and adjust accordingly.
Most huntards will also do it because they got spoonfed by someone superior to them as well. Which is why there’s no surprise in the abundance of cats/scorpids in raids.
@ Lienna
The best way would be to make LnL proc off something other than traps. The way blizzard is currently dealing with trap dancing problem is retarded.
(It was like when they said “Oh people switch AotB during TBW, LETS CHANGE THAT LOL AND PUT ASPECTS ON THE GCD”)
I just don’t understand why you read this blog at all, TEJ
Am I the only one having trouble understanding BRK’s argument about ammo? The more ammo one uses to test something the less one understands the dynamics of the game. Is that the argument?
I would have assumed the EJ folks use more ammo to get more accurate results. You know, sample size, margins of error, bell curves and all that.
Someone help me out here…
Raiding (I’m targeting those that are Raiders, not those that are players that Raid. hope you can distingush the difference)
Raiding is and will always be about the numbers. How to tear through content as fast and efficient as possible. It is always going to be “The Raid First” mentality. Doesn’t mean fun, doesn’t mean you have really any autonomy, it’s one for the raid, and all for the raid. (or something like that).
Heck.. I’d think BRK could probably give us an Airman Howell example of this mentality. But I digress…
Raiders will always find what works best. They will always DEMAND that you bring what works best. If that doesn’t work for you, then you need to find another raiding party to group with. But those that are serious about raiding, really have little to no tolerance for individuality. This is due to the fact that individuality will cost the raid time, gold and possibly achievements.
On the other hand, there are raiders that want to raid with “Style” their way. The love the challenges of finding alternatives to downing a boss. These players are oft derided by raiders, but should be. Their creativity is often what saves the pug and transforms a possible slaughter into a downed boss.
This only typically becomes an issue in times like these when raiders and non-raiders mix. If one can understand their point of view, agree to disagree or point out the differences, then usually the situation is diffused.
But for a non-hardcore raider to stand up, and argue from the standpoint that min/max is wrong, will always be shown to be a folly, because the min/max depends on the math, where the casual raider depends on the fun.
Both are right in their own domain, just shouldn’t mix in some situations, imho.
@Egamamai –
I don’t thnk BRK is arguing against the use of the ammo. More pointing out that they spend the time doing it. I read it more out of “Well, if they want to spend their time doing the test? More power to them. But for me? 200 shots and I’m golden.”
For example, over at the Lodge we had a hunter actually break his bow to prove the changes to the Hit Cap. Personally? I think we didn’t need for that many arrows to be shot, but he wanted to do it w/o any doubt. So off he went with stacks and stacks of arrows until he broke his bow. Why? Because he had the time and could do it.
Does it help? yes for those that care to take the data and analyze it. For the more casual player? I probably could’ve taken the first 200-400 shots and said.. Alright, good enough.
(At least that’s my interpretation, BRK correct me if i’m wrong please.)
BRK asked:
“Do you read PTR patch-notes? Do you scan blue-posts? One of the things we don’t do frequently here is re-post stuff from these sources, and that’s for two reasons:
1. We assume you read this stuff already.
2. A blog should be more than a regurgitation of someone else’s ideas, italicized and bolded, and sold as “new content”.
If you take a snippet of a blue-post, then write something about it, an analysis or opinion, well that’s blogging.”
Actually I don’t scan blue posts and don’t keep up to date on each new PTR patch note change, so to respond to your opening statements, I’d love to see more of your commentary and thoughts on what blues are saying and what the patch notes are indicating.
I don’t have time to keep up, so having it all collected in one place with some reasoned Hunter commentary and analysis would be fantastic.
So I’d be all for you doing more of this on a regular basis!
What I’d like to know is… what *are* Cunning pets supposed to be for? I’ve tried them for PvP (too squishy), farming (ditto) and instances (still too squishy, and not as much DPS anyway). Bloodthirsty and the Tenacity tree are just too strong at the moment to swap for a Cunning pet.
Well.. the cunning pet can be used for solo play and in some parties to help with specific circumstances.
Take the Birds of Prey for example. They have a Disarming capability. Along with causing Claw damage. (Thanks Mania and Petopia)
As with many things in WoW today, they’re the hybrid pet imho. I could be wrong, but that’s basically what I see them as.
You missed another important Blue quote regarding gold from quests at level 80…
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593920337
“You get either the gold reward from the quest or the gold from experience to cash, whichever is greater. You do not get both.”
This is a HUGE change from the way things used to work at the 60 and 70 level caps where you’d get the normal gold AND the rep-to-gold conversion bonus gold. I can’t believe that there isn’t more outrage over this wealth nerf.
I went on the PTR,tried my current BM spec and I know that my dps went to hell.I tried adding various rotations to the mix,different glyphs ect.Not a damn thing helped.
Fiddling with a MM leveling build now.It ain’t pretty and anything other than a tenacity pet will not hold a mob’s attention worth spit.Cunning pets have next to no survivability either with my build,so I’ll probably have to go tenacity as much as I can get away with.
Oh yeah,and volley is utter crap now.Damage is around what it was in TBC,unless you crit which seemed to happen less.
What I want to know is,are we getting a free respec after they get done raping the BM tree?I mean the gave druids one after they slightly fiddled with a few of their spells,but they admit they favor druids already.So we getting stuck with a nasty respec fee after the reaming without lube?Sounds like standard Blizz policy,screw over hunters at every opportunity.
Egamamai
lol, sarcasm 101 thataway —->
It’s all about context – heck yeah!! I was (first time *woohoo*) in Naxx last night and with no mage and no warlock present – guess who topped the damage meter? yep, you got it – the measly Shadow priest with it’s one AoE-spell. Numbers are good – but they don’t show the whole picture.
BRK seems to finally be addressing hunter concerns in his blog. I can’t wait to see his reaction when the patch goes live. Just wait….the nerf is coming. We’ll see how supportive of Blizzard you are when you see DKs and fury warriors doing twice our DPS in less gear than us. It will be a thing of beauty.
@TEJ – you are on spot this time.
@ Rilgon – See, as TEJ says, you are indeed gloating again. You are upset when another spec does more damage than you, and you gloat when they are nerfed. Neggles mocks me because I go with the spec that provides the most damage for the raid, and also revels in the fact that BM is getting hit hard. As another here pointed out, raiding is about the dps.
How cool, blizzard FINALLY realized the problem is SCALING and fixed cats/scorpids accordingly.
Now to minmax to the next maxDPS pet family.
Tonight I went on a VoA raid, both 25man and 10man. 1st 25man attempt we wiped due to some stupid reason, I was only half buffed with MotW and Kings and came in 10th on DPS meter with 1.7k DPS. Next attempt I got fully buffed and topped the meters at 3.8k, beating a Rogue by 100DPS.
We then dropped down to a 10man and killed Archavon again. This time I was missing only Druid buffs from what I could tell and I fell back down to about 6th place on 1.7k DPS again yet the rogues still managed to deal out 3.5k DPS again. I played exactly the same as the 25man, same rotation and use of cooldowns (I’m BM specced) so for the life of my I can’t understand what would cause my DPS to drop so drastically. I was using AotD pretty much the whole fight too.
It worries me why my DPS can fluctuate so severely but more importantly concerned about these upcoming nerfs to Hunters and what Blizzard are basing all their changes on.
@ Omega
You’re a retard who didn’t notice his pet got knocked onto the ledge. Reroll DK because paying attention to two things is hard. L2p.
(Yes I’m being elitist over this because a mistake of this magnitude SHOULD. NOT. OCCUR.)
Heigan : Baby Spice
If your tank is sitting too close to the previous wall for the pet to survive pop a few during the phases
pop two if another player has em
It does change the size of the hitbox aswell as the graphic, meaning the pet will get closer
oh.. and whatever you do, don’t pop them on Thaddius
One spice is enough to make it impossible for melee to get in range without crossing charges
(okay… save it for 10% then so you can make the rogues cry)
Actually, it is MUCH easier for a BM hunter on Heigan, as long as you keep imp mend pet up all diseases are taken off and your pet stays topped off. Super super easy to get top dps there.
hello BRK
this is a great topic as now you see the great diversity in dmg dealt with just a different talent build.
i myself am MM and dont think heigan is a boss where a MM hunter will have real problems with.
poor pets realy , having to run in at the boss and just getting killed , they deserve an extra treat for being so brave realy
the rebalance of hunters might not be too bad , it might just change our way of doing damage , maybe even give us totaly new spells.
when hearing something about a rebalance or a big change of hunters doesnt it just make u curious what its gonna be?
i can understand a lot of BM hunters are upset cause of the 3.0.8 patch notes , personaly i think just beastial wrath shouldnt have been effected by readiness , but thats just me as a MM hunter.
the thing is that hunters at 3.1 might be buffed a lot , or maybe MM and surv will be nerfed and BM buffed.
dont give up hope on the hunter , the hunter will always be one of the leading damage dealing classes
keep up the good work BRK , love the podcast and the site
PTR, Patch, 3.10 — whatever. There is only one reason to roll a hunter: because you like it. It’s fun. I’ve been tops on the meters and the crap on the bottom of the healer’s shoe. I’ve been in the middle too. In all three instances I’ve had fun. Sure, it’s great to be the big man at the top of the meter, but that’s not the only reason I play a hunter.
Oh, and yes, I’m the guy who who put the Ard in huntard.