Comments on: Kel’Thuzad as Post-3.0.8. SV

By: Dedicated People Succeed. « The Shattersphere

Dedicated People Succeed. « The Shattersphere — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:35:35 +0000

[...] reason that I’m making this post is because of something I read in a post on Big Red Kitty. The thread itself was about BRK deciding to go Survival over Beast Mastery, which unleashed a [...]

By: Shatter

Shatter — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:22:54 +0000

@Drizzt

Very few people realize that Clairvoyance is a hidden talent of enhancement shamans!

An example of this would be that I know I’m always about to die.

By: Driizzt and Wyvar of Shandris

Driizzt and Wyvar of Shandris — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:17:58 +0000

@Shatter

Thank you for reading my mind and then stating my thoughts in a much more concise and level headed manner. Therefore, I have nothing left to say. =D

Unless of course I remind you all that the whole point of the nerf is so that hunters will turn on each other and be eliminated from the game entirely. And thus GC will rule the world! BWAHAHAHA

Happy Hunting

By: Shatter

Shatter — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:31:47 +0000

Yunk, I have absolutely no idea how what I said translated into “you’re just mad because you lost your macro”.

I said that the relative ease of the style was a lot more intriguing to some people, especially when considering how much damage it did. If people were simply interested in pure damage pre-SW, they could have gone warlock (same goes for the pet).

That being said, it isn’t fair to say that BM was “just as involved” as other specs, because it simply wasn’t, and that was part of what drew many people to it. Simply because you state something doesn’t make it true.

By: kunukia

kunukia — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:27:46 +0000

I give up.

By: yunk

yunk — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:05:25 +0000

Shatter you wrote the main advantage was that it’s easy, and wonder why people were defending the playstyle.

Nobody else is saying that, no BM hunters want to only hit one button most of the time unless you have to move your pet. That’s just how you have to play. And I have yet to hear of anyone defending hitting one button as a playstyle.

The advantage of BM was that is did tons of damage, and some enjoyed the RP-like aspects of a pet as more than just another dot, people wish they still could do those things. No one is lamenting “oh no i have to hit more than one button now”.

By: Driizzt and Wyvar of Shandris

Driizzt and Wyvar of Shandris — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:21:13 +0000

@Kunukia

Shatter is precisely correct in what he is saying. We’re merely saying BM is an easy to play spec. Since you have conceded this point I’m not sure how you can take offense to Shatter restating my thoughts more eloquently, especially after you have just confirmed them.

I’m sorry that you seem to take offense to the truth, but then mocking my dedication to damage with my “more complex shot rotation” is the same as if I had criticized you for playing BM because of your love of the play style.

By: Shatter

Shatter — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:14:32 +0000

I think you’re just being overly defensive, because nothing in that was offensive. Saying “no offense intended here” is more a method of saying “I’m going to be pragmatic, so please lower your defenses.”

Because you played BM when it was terrible, does that somehow make you a messiah for the spec? As I said, in TBC BM didn’t outdps Survival by much until after SW came out. I knew “good” BM hunters and they all agreed the macro made it what it was to play.

By: kunukia

kunukia — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:24:25 +0000

I played BM when it was crap in vanilla WoW, I played it when it was king in BC. Never once did I say to the two Survival and one Marks hunters that I regularly raided with in BC, “Why do you choose to gimp yourself?” It…just would have been rude. Clearly a lot of people did tell you that, Shatter, or you would not be quite so deliberately offensive in your post, which starts out with, “No offense intended here…”

By: Shatter

Shatter — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:41:02 +0000

No offense intended here, but I thought the advantage to playing BM was that it was a comparatively easy spec to play with a very high damage output. Until Sunwell came out, BM hunters weren’t doing astronomically high damage yet, so the other pure classes offered just as much utility and versatility. BM always seemed to benefit from having a very useful macro that could make the less dedicated players perform exponentially better than they might have if they used a different class. Before that comment encourages argument, I’d only ask if a person upset by it used “the macro” — if you didn’t, why not? And if you did, there’s nothing to be ashamed of, it was a logical thing to do.

All of that said, it seems a bit silly that people would be defending the playstyle at all. BM was good for what it was, and it offered people to see content they probably couldn’t otherwise. But you’ve clearly opted to drive an automatic and can’t say that just because it has a wheel like a stick-shift, that one is just as difficult to master as the other.