The New BM on Patchwerk
Patchwerk numbers! Can ya stands it? Yeeha!
Here’s the raid: SV hunter, SV hunter, BM hunter, squishies, etc.
How does one SV hunter do 400DPS more than another? Just hit a little harder and crit a little more. A BM hunter can match nicely against an SV hunter having an “average” night. But if he gets on a serious crit-streak, the SV hunter will pull away.
How did our stuff look? A little bizarre, to be honest. Our pet’s white damage is our #1 source of DPS, and 45% of our total damage. Letting your BM-pet die is Bad Mojo.
And just what does 45% of 4437 DPS look like? Looks like this, foshizzle.
Almost hitting the 2k DPS barrier for a hunter-pet. So close! We did get a new piece of gear, so perhaps with this:
we’ll see that happen next week.
If you are a mind, here’s the link to the WWS report itself.
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Would that mean that Aspect of the Beast would be more damage then Aspect of the dragonhawk now?!
Very encouraging! Thanks for posting the WWS link. Looking at the breakdowns is useful. And, grats on the shoulders.
- Grind
Hi Hunters and BigRedKitty. I have one question for this report. What is spell name Swing from your Loque Nahak? I have too Loque Nahak and have only Claw and Spirit Strike. Thx for your reply and sorry for my bad english
Good hunt!
Darn, I wrote a long thing and it got eaten (Apparently by cookies if the error message is to be believed, oh the irony). The jist of it was these figures make me happy, the fact that BM is even more reliant on the pet means it’s not gone back to “spec this for easymode dps” unfortunately Surv has taken up that role, so i’m thinking either it needs a little nerfing and something to make trap dancing more effective or BM needs a little buffing to make up for those fights where you’re pet’s dancing more often than it’s clawing. That way you need skills to play both specs at their best and you can more easily separate the skilled from the not-so-skilled.
Double post but the edit button appears to do nothing.
@Nefthiel:
Swing refers to the pet’s regular melee attacks rather than to a special ability.
Suprised at all hunters use of multi-shot and ouch at the pet misses.
Think that in itself would push BRK to #2
Not much between the two SV hunters in regard to shots so must be gear.
Like to see an analysis over the next two weeks of first BRK back in SV mode and then with pet @8% hit as BM. If BRK out dps’ Shooter as SV its purely a talent spec divide, but reckon the pet hit kill close the gap regardless.
At 3.0.8 actually had my raid wipe three times on PW (25) to test BM MM SV (BM talented and glyphed) and killed it as SV. Don’t think i can do that to the poor sods again. We do have a good laugh at Naxx on various bosses as our classes try to test things out. Two night clear with a bit of fun > one night clear – what else is there to do!
It is certainly better than it was.
The problem will come on other bosses in Naxx where the buffs only help the hunter. Still it is viable again.
How does the multi-shot work in? I’ve been doing arcane, steady, steady, etc and repeat. It might have been posted before, but I believe the multi-shot is a new addition.
Since the rather excessive nerf to steady shot left it doing less damage than any of our other shots, the only reason we use it at all is its the only one without a cooldown.
So Arcane>Multi>Steady…
GZ on the loot.
I am ran naxx10 as BM just before the weekend and came 5th on the meters. I didn’t mind so much since I wasn’t geared great and the rest of the guild are into 25s so are MUCH better geared than I am. But it meant more upgrades for me!
Either Multi Shot or Aimed Shot, depending on whether you specced for the latter. The former costs 1% more mana and is not a real instant. They both share a cooldown.
Looking at SV damage and your comment on SV crit depndancy from report do not show difference between BM and SV . And what seems , that SV crit is obviosly too low, and should be almost 2x bigger, therefore make gap between SV and BM bigger.
As I see BRK have the best gear from the 3 hunters.
) BM-hunter hardly can keep up with a lower-geared SV hunter.
Some craftable, some T7, Alpacaa got 3 blues, Shootrmcgavn got one blue (But got Greatness card), while BRK got Journey’s end, Torn Web Wrapping.
So count all these gear-differences, and you can see that a well-geared well-skilled (BRK. Maybe.
Ps: I’m envious of your Journey’s End, we are farming current content uite a while (almost got all HC raid achievment), but we didn’t see a single Journey’s End drop. :/
@ Anon: That strikes me as an interesting concept. I’ve been wondering about trying some new glyphs to go w/ the new BM:The BW glyph is a no-brainer, but the other two are getting more iffy… been using serpent sting / steady combo that ate up pre-patch stuff, but w/ the SS nerf, that extra 10% isnt so yummy. And while Dhawk nets more personal dps + pet dps/ pet spell dps… that WWS report is showing more than half of the pet’s dps is via auto attacks. With a glyphed AotB… hmmmm. Anyone else tried this out? Or am I going too far out on a limb here?
ok. you got out dps’ed by a survival hunter.
in ONE fight you could have your pet out and not have it drain heals from raid, nor gimp you by being dead.
bro….
someday BM will be like a warlock.. GOOD AGAIN… for now. …
please do your healers and raid a favor and respec?
thanks.
the surv hunter is hitting harder than you aswell on all his shots
and where are your dps warriors!
@Anon
No. The reason AotB was so good with glyph/scorpid is because it was double dipping in pet AP resulting in 4k scorpid poison ticks and such.
@BRK&co.
Get 263 hit rating. Just because you don’t miss doesn’t mean your pets don’t and seeing 11 misses on Shooter’s melee swing is cringe worthy. Not to mention the missed savage rend could and would’ve made him break 5k.
This makes me suspect the spacegoat aura doesn’t transfer to pets but I play a superior faction so this isn’t my concern.
Is the dps difference so bad?
Is it a national duty to go with SV because it’s so far our in front? Or can people who genuinely enjoy BM stay as BM and miss out on a few hundred dps, without incurring the wrath of the guild?
I suppose it depends on the guild…
What kind of shot rotation and/or macro are you currently using? We did PW Friday night, and I was just under 3800 dps (Loq doing 1700) and would like to break the 4 k barrier on that fight. I’ve been using the standard 1:1 macro , with arcane thrown in as a random. Our main SV hunter has been rocking for over 5 K in that fight, even post ES nerf.
Keep up the good info, BRK
/salute
Ketaralethar
@ Ketaralethar…
Use Arcane every CD… And you no longer need a macro for steady, it no longer clips your autoshot. Steady got nerfed into the ground, and my arcane hits for roughly double of my steady. Multi and aimed shot both hit harder, as well.
It should be Arcane, Multi (or aimed), steady, steady, arcane, steady, steady, steady, arcane etc.
If you’re doing 3.8k with just steady/auto with a random arcane, this will easily push you over 4k. As evidenced from BRK, if you’re closely geared with the SV from your guild, you could be chomping at 5k yourself.
@ TEJ
That’s the most thought out, well-spoken, kindest post I’ve seen you make. And, it screams truth. I might go break out my hit gear from the bank and get there regardless.
Noob question I know, but I cannot remember at this point: does focused aim affect our pet?
@ Allarr
Nope, Focused Aim doesn’t transfer to pets.
Count me among the people that think 400DPS is not always about spec or gear. It can very easily be about skill. It could equally easily be about computer gear and latency for that matter. As BM I’m able to outdps better geared survival hunters. How is that? Skill. Not because I’m leet, but because they aren’t as leet as they should be. I would merely classify myself as above average.
@click2edit: you don’t work
@everyone saying saying get more hit: BRK didn’t miss. His pet didn’t miss. WWS shows any non-hit as a miss. That 4% miss is from dodges. Animal Handler 2/2 is all the expertise you’re gonna get on a pet. Such is life.
@Allarr
I better change that.
@Curtis
BRK’s pet did miss. Shooter’s pet did miss. Spacegoat squidface’s pet did miss. If you look closer, WWS does separate misses from dodges. So I took that in account.
I didn’t follow the link to the WWS. 1.2% miss.
The fact that ur pet’s white attacks is ur no1 source of damage is crazy and is yet another reason stopping me from specing BM again. Theres to many pet unfriendly fights out there for my likeing. Nerf BM pets and Buff BM Hunters!!
@Swift
The only truly pet unfriendly fight is Sartharion with the fire damage add. The rest are nuisances.
@smeedsc
Speaking as one of BRK’s raid healers, I can tell you that the pets do not “drain” heals from the rest of the raid. The only possible fight where it is even an effort might be the stupid Heigan dance. With all of the AOE heals out there, (mine specifically being Wild Growth) you can cast a heal on the pet and still heal all of your melee classes at the same time. Likewise, an instant cast rejuvenation or lifebloom on the pet is hardly even noticed as a blip on my radar while healing. I can’t speak for all hunters who raid, but the hunters in our guild keep their own pets up for the most part, with a little extra help here and there. As a matter of fact, if you look at my breakdown, the pets were at the very bottom of the list of heals, and yet, their pets lived nearly all of the time. (I won’t say they didn’t die during a tough fight, but rarely if they did.)
Just giving you the perspective of someone who heals hunter pets and likes it.
Does anyone have a good idea about what we should consider normal variation for a hunter due to randomness? 400 DPS difference when variation is 600 DPS, is quite different from 400 DPS difference when variation is 50 DPS.
Thank You Kindly.
If they’re within 30 yards of the Draenei, they gain the aura. That said, they don’t double-dip from the aura (i.e. getting 2%, because the master gets 1% and the pet themselves gets another 1%).
People still believe there’s a difference between the communities? *snicker*
And hey, go figure, this post got eaten by the spam filter, but when I hit back, it was still here!
@TEJ:
1. working on it. i went ahead and regemmed as you suggested, and my dps went up substantially. i got the shoulderpads of secret arts from from raz, so i should be >.25% once i gem those.
2. squidface aura does transfer to pets…provided the squidface is 30 yards. thats my bad (since im in charge of groups).
oh, also…
3. the reason i didnt break 5k on patch is because my mouthbreathing self forgot to equip my mammoth cutters until about 2/3 of the way through…
@TEJ My pet dies on Heigan.
@BRK
Is there a reason you still have the stam&agi on your trousers?
Forgetfulness.
Fixed.
/grump
Ah, ok. I do that kind of thing ALL the time. Just happened to be doing some side-by-side nit-picking.
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Are your healers removing the disease? That’s what gets Ayamiss the most is that damned disease (and being MM there’s jack-all I can do about it, aside from screech at healers).
@Rilgon
At least you get to do that; my mic has been busted for a bit, so I get to watch Sooba croak from the stupid disease while the healers do the dance.
@Adamantite – Does your pet die consistently on Heigan’s one phase or the other (pew-pew phase, or dancing phase)?
If the pet dies during pew-pew phase, talk to your tanks and your cleansers. The tanks might be positioning themselves in the middle of the moving safe zone, which puts Hiegan in the back end of the safe zone, thus putting your pet in the fire. So tank repositioning might help. Additionally, if you do not have points in Improved Mend Pet, you might need some love from the players who can cleanse your pet.
Communication with the other players in your raid is full of win, so share your thoughts with them and see what they think. Even more points if you do that communicating on your guild forums, rather than bogging down the team with pet micro management details during the raid itself.
If the pet dies during dancing phase, I’m not sure what changes to make, other than running just a smidgen faster than you visually think you need to since there’s lag between when the fire exists and when it animates on your screen. I’ve found my survivability increased incredibly when I started running what feels dangerously close to the fire in front of me. I’d assume your pet will have the same benefit.
Ok, here’s something to think about w/regard to using mult-shot in your rotation. If you’ve specced 3/3 Cobra Strikes , then 60% of your arcane, steady or kill shot crits result in two guaranteed crits for your pets, which in turn proc ferocious inspiration and a chance of frenzy. Multi-Shot doesn’t count toward Cobra Strike procs.
So, Cobra Strikes proc gives:
2 pet crits @ double damage
proc or renew of FI
possible proc of frenzy
Given that, are the facts that each use of Multi-Shot costs more mana and is one less opportunity for Cobra Strikes to proc enough to counter-balance the marginal dps gain from Multi-Shot itself?
If your rotation is roughly
Arcane->Multi->Steady->Steady->Arcane->Steady->Steady->Steady (repeat)
Then that multi is using up 12.5% of your opportunities to proc Cobra Strikes.