In The Pudding
Can we beat out that SV hunter? No, the SV-spec is still tops. Of course, if an SV hunter gets unlucky and doesn’t get all crit-happy, they can have a off-night and drop out of the top-five. It happens, ya know?
Remember we were talking about raising our personal Hit Rating to try to eliminate pet-Misses? With our new bow we did just that. As the title of this post indicates, here’s the proof that the theory works.
Parry and Dodge? Yeah; we can’t add any more Expertise than we already have. Airballs? Nope; our pet didn’t just flat-out Miss any melee attacks.
Note that Spirit Strike is not Physical damage, and is thus not bound by the 8%-Miss rule and mechanics. It’s a Spell!
Are we gonna start trying to find out how much Hunter Spell-Hit Rating translates to Pet Spell-Hit Rating, and what the Spell-Miss Cap is for our pet?
…
Not today; for we be tired and we’re gonna have to hot-bunk it tonight.
One might think a Beast Master hunter would be able to sleep without pet-interruption. One would be very wrong.
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OK, so your spell hit is under the cap?
Does this mean that Arcane Shot (spell damage?) is even less useful than it might otherwise be?
Everyone together now…
Awwwwwwwwwwww
My babies!!
It didn’t take Quattro long to take over my spot.
Sweet. I have two largish dogs that share my bed. /sigh
1. Does our spell power affect our pet’s spell power? If so, does that mean we can increase the dmg of Spirit Strike?
2) Does your cat bite your to wake you up, like mine?
“Of course, if an SV hunter gets unlucky and doesn’t get all crit-happy, they can have a off-night and drop out of the top-five. It happens, ya know?”
When have you seen this happen? Not sure why you are kidding yourself. I heard you say on Wow Insider podcast it was your job to put out the most dps for your raid, well wouldn’t that entail you switching back to SV since you’ve never beat the SV hunter in your guild with you being BM?
Awesome picture of the pets. I love both dogs and cats. Labs are so great, and your cat has a beautiful coat.
Oh, and ya know…congrats on getting rid of your pet misses.
awww too cute!
That cat isn’t called Hobbes?! I’m confused :S
And labs r indeed great dogs, but most of them need a little Bestial Wrath to spice things up, although I don’t think yur dog’s needs it. Damn, that dog is full of energy
@Abb, u really have to scroll back in BRK-blog-history. Since when is BRK about max damage? I know he doesn’t want to be completely useless in raids, but I never heard him say that he has to be on top 100% of the time. Or am I very wrong?
Bed picture, mrs BRK in this topic, …has to be top 100% of the time.
I meant top. Sentence could otherwise be very badly interpreted and I don’t wanna go there :S
Wha, filterfail. ….”has to be on top” and “I meant at the top”.
Soz for the spam, I’m out…..
Letting your pet get killed shortly after phase 2 doesn’t help your DPS much either, even if you are SV. Like you said, sometimes you just have an off night or fight (that happens to get posted to a popular hunter blog for all the world to see :S)
“@Abb, u really have to scroll back in BRK-blog-history. Since when is BRK about max damage? I know he doesn’t want to be completely useless in raids, but I never heard him say that he has to be on top 100% of the time. Or am I very wrong?”
If you listen to him on Wow Insider podcasts, you’ll understand he wants to be the best damage for his raid and contribute as much as he can. That what his reasoning in speccing SV in the first place before the BM “un-nerf”. Not to just test it, but to be the best in raids that he could. If he says otherwise on here, he’s lying.
Hasn’t he also said that he enjoys BM more? Perhaps he’s balancing contributing as much as he can to the raid with actually enjoying himself in the process.
Besides… people and situations change, therefore minds can change too.
I do want the spirit beast very much one day. I have a rule that I name my pets after gun manufacturers. I’ve got a cat called Remington and a raptor called Walther. I wanna call the spirit beast Merr-Sonn (the maker of Blasters in Star Wars)
We don’t let our cats in the room… because we have two chinese silkie hens perching every night on top of our wardrobe.
Goodness, I’ve written a small essay.
If im not mistaking hit-rating and spell-hit was merged into one attribute not so long ago, so would be interesting to know how you could improve spirit strike further.
“I wanna call the spirit beast Merr-Sonn (the maker of Blasters in Star Wars)”
Baddie.
We refused to run as a BM hunter when the spec was so badly nerfed that we couldn’t compete with the rest of the raid in terms of damage. We still can’t top a similarly-geared SV hunter who is not unlucky with his crits, but we can be competitive with the guild. We’re still top-three in our guild runs, and that’s nothing to sneeze at.
#1 in a spec we don’t particularly like, #2 in a spec we’ve loved for years. What would you pic?
(FYI, for a shot of Alpacca topping us in a DPS-test, one need not go any further than Sunday.)
What “theory” exactly? Your pet would need 16% hit to not miss a spell. And even then he’ll miss 1% of the time.
Hmm, that pet pic was titled ‘tempwives’
Perhaps Mrs BRK ought to be looking over her shoulder.
“What ‘theory’ exactly? Your pet would need 16% hit to not miss a spell. And even then he’ll miss 1% of the time.”
Incorrect, the 1% miss was removed in WotLK. 17% spell hit will allow all your spells to land, all the time (barring fight mechanics that reduce hit, for example Attumen’s curse).
I don’t think Arcane Shot uses spell hit; it probably wouldn’t be out of the ordinary to see Spirit Strike function in the same way, but I don’t know for sure.
Awww, I have 2 cats, and I love dogs! The pic is awesome.
Well you had me always eating snapper and drinking elixir of accuracy, now I have to worry bout haste for my auto shots! ahhhhhhhhhh!! ..ok
I feel your pain, BRK.
It was just last night/this morning when my own little white kitteh decided she was either attacking toes or recreating the bar fight scene from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon on my feet.
*sigh*
Ok that cat is neither big nor red!
… i feel so misled…
Technically speaking, all 3 specs have been reduced to:
1. Sting.
2. 2 GCD fillers (with chimera shot replacing sting refreshing for MM)
3. Steady Shot
4. Kill shot at sub 20%
So I don’t know how it’s possible to “enjoy” one spec more than another strictly from a technical POV.
awww… theory-what? pet piccies!
Hey, another tortoise shell owner. Mine likes to sit on my kneecaps while I’m trying to play, or walk in front of the monitor, or knock the mouse off the desk.
Technically speaking, all 3 specs have been reduced to:
1. Shooting bullets/arrows at mobs.
So I don’t know how it’s possible to “enjoy” one spec more than another strictly from a technical POV.
I’d like to see how +hit for hunters translates to +hit for pets. It may be worth stacking a little bit more hit to make sure our pets never miss.
I read somewhere that Blizz MAY be eliminating dodges and parries for exotic pets through new pet talents, but I’m not holding my breath.
Technically speaking, all ranged classes have been reduced to:
1. Doing damage from range at mobs.
So I don’t know how it’s possible to “enjoy” one class more than another strictly from a technical POV.
In order to eliminate Dodges and Parries, there just has to be a Pet Talent a bit further down the tree (like they said they would implement) that gives 10 Expertise and done deal.
@ TEJ “Technically speaking, all 3 specs have been reduced to:
1. Sting.
2. 2 GCD fillers (with chimera shot replacing sting refreshing for MM)
3. Steady Shot
4. Kill shot at sub 20%
So I don’t know how it’s possible to “enjoy” one spec more than another strictly from a technical POV.”
This is true. However from what some might call a “playstyle” point of view, some people like BM, some MM, others SV. yeah you could say playstyle = your post, but I think you get what I’m trying to say.
I personally have never liked MM and SV. . . I just enjoy being BM; I like the synergy of the talents between my pet and I, I like having a pet that does excellent and higher damage, I like getting Big and Red.
On the other hand my friend is die hard SV and has been so since release. . .
one of the reasons my dps has jumped up from where it had been is that i re-itemized for hit. i took my points out of FA and filled out iaoth, with 1/2 focused fire. i macrod savage rend to kill command.
abbrasive as TEJ might be…
BRK,
To save you some time and effort, I actually had recently noticed the exact same thing about my Spirit Beast a few days ago and ran my own test. I’ve got some results for you.
First, Spell Hit Rating and Physical Hit Rating use different conversions, enough so that 8% Physical Hit on our ranged attacks translates into a 10% Hit for our spells. Secondly as you have already guessed, the Spell require a much larger hit rating (A mechanic most likely put in place my blizzard to make up for a spells lack of a need for expertise, you can’t dodge or parry a spell) Spells need a 17% hit rating in order to cap against a Raid Boss. As such, we should expect a 7% miss from our beloved Spirit Beasts Spirit strike when we raid hit capped. The cap for Spell Hit is 446, meaning a hunter would need an additional 183 hit on his gear to cap out his spirit beasts Spirit Strike.
Wait? My pet will miss 7% of the time!?!? Outrage! Blizzard threw a hidden nerf to our beloved pets that we’ve spent weeks trying to get! Do you have any idea how many sleepless nights I spent flying around the Basin camping spawn points? Nerf Ret Pallys! Holy Priests do to much damage! QQ Storm!!! Actually BRK, it’s not as bad as it seems, here is why.
First, it is only Spirit Strike that is affected. Spirit Strike is at most 10% of our damage. Let’s do some calculations. I’m going to keep all these number nice and round, and over estimate the amount of damage done by the pet. Suppose a hunter puts up 4000 DPS on a standard boss. Our Spirit Beast was very aggressive this fight and did 45% of our total damage. 10% of his damage came from his specials (Spirit Strike and the DoT that it leaves). 7% of those Spirit Strikes were misses. For simplicities sake lets first start out with the assumption that all these hits would have landed, then lets figure out how much DPS would actually be lost with a 7% miss chance.
Well,
4000 x 45% = 4000 x .45 = 1800
1800 x 10% = 1800 x .10 = 180
180 x 07% = 180 x .07 = 12.6
So for our 4000 DPS BM Hunter our pet has done 1800 of our DPS, Good Job Spirit Beast! Out of his 1800 DPS, 180 of that was caused by Spirit Strike. Now if we were to miss 7% of the time with Spirit Strike, our pets DPS would go down by 12.6, which takes our hunter from being a 4000 DPS hunter to a 3987.4 DPS hunter. This is sad, but hardly worth seeking out 183 additional hit rating for.
In summary, if you really want to keep you pet from missing with Spirit Strike, you need 446 from gear, however, it would be in your best interest to forgo the additional hit and gem from something useful, like Attack Power.
Sorry for the Wall of Text, but I hope you find this helpfull.
Personally, I don’t play strictly for the “technical” aspects of the game. I play for fun. For me, that’s less focus on the numbers sometimes. It’s why I became part of a casual guild with friends. As long as the boss gets put down, we all contribute to the fight, and we all survive it really doesn’t matter. Hells, half the time when we don’t all survive we’re laughing about it on Vent.
And yet…I’m still hooked on the BRK posts. Huh. It’s ‘cuz you keep it fun, even when you’re talking about the numbers.
Thanks for bein’ so groovy. Beautiful kids, btw.
That sucks that the 1% spell miss was removed. It was always fun watching people trying to blow up critters and get resisted.
Arcane shot is a physical attack that does arcane damage. It is the 8% number.
I was invited to help on the last 2 bosses in Heroic Occulus last night.
I am BM with a wolf in this case (now I know that the wolf is irrelevant when you are flying aorund on Amber drakes so no qq please)
Nobody said ‘O, BM?? Forget it lets find a SV Hunter.’ I was welcomed and we did well, taking them both down.
If you like BM why notplay it? If you are strictly in it to lead the meters, good for you. But nowhere is it written that we must lead the meters all the time. Top 2 or three is still good imho.
Good work as always BRK.
That’s because DPS specs barely matter in a 5-man, let alone Oculus.
You’ve got a tortie, and a lab as well! Go BRK!