PTR on WoWHead
Everything you wanted to know about the PTR, including new talent calculators for hunters and their pets is here.
Remember that the PTR can change on a minute-by-minute basis and don’t go making any wild assumptions or blind pronouncements.
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I don’t get it, they give us a new tier of pet talents but not enough points to be able to use them? what did I miss?
I can’t seem to edit, I think I get it now. The talent calculator doesn’t assume you are 51 into BM so points are missing.
Love the new stuff, I’ll be so happy if I can switch back to BM!
Thanks for keeping us informed!
When you open the pet calculator, just click the 0 beside where it says Bonus points and it will give you the 4 extra points from the Beast Mastery talent. You still can’t get both shark attack and wild hunt while picking up all the DPS boosting stuff.
I’d like to correct that by saying yes you can, but then you can’t get heart of the phoenix or lick your wounds if you get both talents. Non BM hunters can’t get both shark attack and wild hunt. (hell, they can’t even max the talent they choose to put points in)
We need more points.
lol yup more points are always good
@Shagrat: I don’t think non-BM hunters are suppose to be able to max out all the DPS talents… That’s the point of going BM isn’t it?
Anon-Yes, I’m aware of that. I’m just predicting a mass wave of QQ despite that fact. I would like to point out that it is possible to max out shark attack if you give up Call of the Wild though.
You click on the little 0 at the bottom of the calc; it’ll add the 4 extra points in.
and i see what i said was said 40 mins prior; my bad..
Is Black Arrow a disease, magic, poison, or none of the above?
iT’S A rather mean choice they make us 51point BM hunters take… The talents on the last tier are so powerful, but to get them you miss out on ways to keep your pet alive…..bugger.
withe the +40% talent my SB goes from 11.5k to 16.6k HP and his AP doubles…. tis very sexy
@Delos Think of Black Arrow as a shadow magic DOT.
You only need the Heart of the Phoenix on Pet unfriendly fights. Get 2 Ferocity Pets, spec one as a dps machine and the other with HotP and as much dps as remaining talents allow.
It’s a harder deal for Tenacity though, a number of very nice talents and possibly must have talents need to be sacrficed to get those top two. But I’m wondering if Silverback is really necesary if you have Spirit Bond anyway. I’d be intrested to know the thoughts of those that do a lot of pet tanking.
I like the change to the tenacity tree. When it goes live, I’m going to go a full BM pet survivability spec (full endurance training/thick hide/catlike reflexes) and see if I can’f finally get those damn 3 and 5 man group quests in Icecrown done and over with. Gonna have me some fun with my warp stalker.
@ Stormovik
In regards to tenacity pets I can see two possible builds: one for a main tank role where you try to get as much agro as possible and keep it, the other for an off tank role where you try and stay alive as long as possible.
My general feel with the new pet talents is that there are usually two paths your pet can go (ei, more staying alive talents or agro getting talents). I really like this because it means we are going to see different pets and different pet builds coming out.
15 second duration dot with a 30 second cooldown seems awkward. id rather see the damage increase lowered to 3-4% and the cooldown either removed or lowered to 15 seconds.
I’ d just wish theyd take dash off Tier 1 for Ferocity pets If I max out Shark Attack & Wild Hunt it looks like i will have to sacrifice both Charge and Boars Speed if I want to keep Bloodthirsty. Id much prefer either of those talents to dash.
I could live without charge on my spirit beast, but I do live swoop on my wasp and moth. That knockdown (on targets not immune to it) is awesome. Seeing Heigan fall on his back is priceless when my moth swoops into attack.
I think that with these new talents, they should up the bonus points on the 51-point BM talent from 4 to 6 to allow BM hunters to better take advantage of them.
Also, with dual spec., it’s gonna be a pain if you have BM plus MM or SV build. If you switch and call your non-exotic pet out of the stable, you’ll have to sit there and re-spec. your pet before you can do anything. And, God forbid you’re in a hurry and make a mistake in the spec.
Well what do you know… the AP for Wild Hunt as beng taken down to 10/20%
Hopefully the Stamina will be unchanged….there is no reason for it to be reduced.
Here’s the ferocity spec. that I think gives you about the most dps you can get
http://ptr.wowhead.com/?petcalc=0Vd00ss00hoRb
But if you want Heart of the Phoenix, you’re going to have to sacrifice two talent points from somewhere else. Probably direct from dps (I can’t stand to give up the Boar’s Speed).
When I was trying a cunning build, it seemed to involve even more trade-offs. The cunning tree is very dense and the dps talents are spread all over the place!
aww they nerfed Wild hunt?
I had thought I’d read somewhere that the dual spec thing was going to cover both your pet and your glyphs. Meaning that when you switch specs, you also swithch glyphs and pet spec. If that’s so, then when you switch spec your pet is ready to go with the points available. That would make the most sense to me; but then this is Blizzard we’re talking about.
@ Shootrmcgavn Totally agree on that point
@ Morobir Of course it would be nice with additional points but that would probably make BM to OP again and we would see another round of nerfing. Additionally I don’t want a situation were more than 50% of my damage comes from my pet.
@Thunderstone: “Additionally I don’t want a situation were more than 50% of my damage comes from my pet.”
Yeah, me either, but that’s the only place they seem willing to buff BM. :/
Wild Hunt was nerfed a LOT more than just the number change from 20/40 to 10/20. They also fixed the calculation:
“Wild Hunt is being changed to 10/20% extra AP from the master. There was a bug where the talent was just applying the hunter’s AP to the pet twice, which is too generous. If you have 6000 attack power, your pet probably gains 1320 attack power from you. With 2 ranks of this talent, it should gain 1580 attack power instead. Your pet’s attack power will be higher than this by a few hundred from other sources.”
To put it in light on a non-raid buffed hunter with 4k AP. Your pet on live gains 880 AP. On PTR, with 2 points in Wild Hunt, your pet gains 1056 (26.84%). A measly 176 AP, versus the 2480 AP it gaints right now on PTR (22%+40%).
A huge nerf, I wouldn’t be surprised if I was back down to 2k dps on heroic training dummies now.
@Arthu — it would be great if it worked that way (pet specs saved with dual spec.). I hadn’t read that. I did read somewhere that they were going to remove the cost to re-spec. your pet.
@Shootrmcgavn
EJ has said that resourcefulness also lowers the CD on Black Arrow to 24 sec (since it’s cooldown is linked to traps). I’m not sure if this a “I hope they do it” or “they did do it”, you know how EJ can be. It’s hard to make out half of what they say.
@Eric: “To put it in light on a non-raid buffed hunter with 4k AP. Your pet on live gains 880 AP. On PTR, with 2 points in Wild Hunt, your pet gains 1056 (26.84%). A measly 176 AP, versus the 2480 AP it gaints right now on PTR (22%+40%).”
Darn, 176 AP is a pretty marginal dps increase for a talent you have to spec. so deep to get.
Does anyone know which provides more dps, the 3% per level from Spiked Collar/Shark Attack or the gain from Wild Hunt, assuming 4k attack power?
i saw that resourcefulness lowers the cooldown…but i dont see it being worth the point investment. besides, i can almost guarantee you that blizz will remove black arrow from that. at least i hope so…otherwise it would just be another example of them attempting to force us to take points in currently useless pve talents (read: hunting party)
this was in beta test of the original game but was was removed because it had a slowing efect that was very over powered
So, if you have trinkets pop, and lots of Burst RAP, would it be smart to fire Black Arrow then? Is it calculated at the instance of the shot?? Or progressively??
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Aww…
Black Arrow doesn’t raise a Skeleton for you if you kill the monster with it (like the War3 spell does)??
That was the coolest part of that spell!
Black Arrow (Autocast)
Adds extra damage to attacks. Units killed while under the effect of Black Arrow will turn into Dark Minions.
WTH! That spell sounds slightly imba… Instant cast… I did think hunters needed a slight buff in PVE but we shall see how this spell plays out.
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Wow, here I thought that “survival” was code for “Fire Hunter”. Playing this pseudo-mage class gets more and more confusin’.
I hate that 30 min CD on ‘Call stabled Pet’. Its ridiculous, imagine your raiding in naxx as a Surv or MM spec, then decide “think Ill go BM for awhile” so you use call stabled pet and get your Spirit Beast out, then you keep raiding, for whatever reason you want to go back to your other spec, but, oh wait you can’t, if you do you cant call out your normal pet because the damn spell is on CD!!
If dualspecs have no CD then Call Stabled Pet should’t.
Thunderstomp talent on the PTR:
“Shakes the ground with thundering force, doing 3 to 5 Nature damage to all enemies within 8 yards.”
Rank 1 petspell on live:
“Shakes the ground with thundering force, doing 13 to 17 Nature damage to all enemies within 8 yards.”
The problem with this is that Thunderstomp was already on the brink of uselessness in instances with the last nerf, I have a feeling that the 70% decrease shown above will remain at higher ranks, thereby destroying any chance for our pets to tank wrath 5 man content.
Also, I thought that Black Arrow was thought to replace Serpent Sting in SV rotations, but if you have a look at the Noxious Stings talent, the bonus damage is still only triggered by the latter, which means that the post 3.1 SV rotation will consist of 6 (SIX!) shots!
Oh, and of course there’s still no word on expanding the pet bar (promised 6 months ago) or fixing the autocast randomizer bug…
Blizzard = FAIL
Sadly they have also nerfed the HP portion of Wild Hunt……so my SB just lost 3K health….
Does it kill Smaug?
agree with shooter here. very clunky ability and there’s no chance i would put points in resourcefullness just to get a reduced CD.
they should either reduce the damage buff and lower the CD to 15s (so we can keep black arrow up constantly like a sting)
or remove the damge buff completely and make this a 30s sting with little damage with a 30s CD to keep up the chance to proc LnL
Did you guys notice what they did to LnL? It no longer procs from serpent sting, but from black arrow instead. This means that trap dancing has become mandatory since black arrow will only be up 50% of the time.
Stormovik; when i was on the PTR a couple of days ago (may have changed since), you only had one spec for each tree. I put points in for my dino, I switched him out for my ooze, put his points in and switched him out for the wasp, and the wasp had all the talents my dino did already. I switched for the hydra, and same again.