BRK Baby Hunter Movie, Part 3
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Hey BRK, just wanted to drop by and say thanks for showing the newcomers to Hunters how to properly kite early. If only you’d made this in time for a Drakk run in UBRS, then maybe we’d have decent hunter kites then. I fell over with laughter when you were ambushed. I bet the Hunter at the end of the video is going to watch, realize it’s him, and quit. He was just pwned by BRK!
Nice…and no ads…I’m a much happier hunter.
This was great! But I really shouldn’t watch at work. Too funny there at the end.
Anyway, yes, I am a huntard as described in your vids so far. Hope to change that one day though. I missed the reason for jump shot. I did go back and watch the first vids and the one just about jump shots, but I’m still missing the point. *hangs head* It seems to me if I just get the kiting part down I wouldn’t need a jump shot. Ugh, once a huntard always…
Hey BRK, this part was the greatest, really! I’ve liked it.
But hey, what are the names of those addons that you use on your 80-lvl BRK hunter? I mean they look good and I would like to try them.
Thanks for all.
M.M
You jump shot to maintain aggro while you run away– if you shoot, and run without refreshing, your target will run back to its starting area(doing that really nasty evade thing)
Great vid…really funny there at the end.
@Nirriti
the jump shot is another way to kite enemies around while still on the run. it leaves you out of harms way while allowing you to keep mobile in a “running away” sort of motion. you have to jump, because then you can turn around in midair, and you’ll still keep your forward motion. you cant fire auto-shot while you are moving, but you can fire all of you instant cast shots (serpent-sting, arcane, concussive, etc.)
personally i have found a couple uses for jump shots.
1. allows you to kite very effectively because you never have to stop moving
2. if your pet dies or you happen to not have a pet at the moment, it allows you to take on some pretty tough opponents without getting killed or even taking a lot of damage. (assuming you have room to maneuver.)
Great Vid.
It astonishes me how many Hunters still melee at 80. I think they like it. I think they should turn in their licenses.
I saw this originally on the PL website but I wanted to come here to say a big THANK YOU
I have a hunter I’m trying to level and I sort of slept through the first 70 levels spec’d BM soloing pretty much everything. I have to admit I suck at kiting, and jump shotting and everything useful that hunters do so these videos really help. (Although I kinda guessed I shouldn’t be in melee, derp)
Can’t wait to see some more videos! <3
I melee all the time, and have no regrets about it. I don’t ever use it as the sole means to fight, but when I pull aggro, I just melee that last bit down rather than wasting time going to ranged. One thing I learned, it isn’t just your DPS, it’s how long it takes to kill, loot, and engage the next mob. Even if kiting is higher DPS, if you don’t kite yourself to a good position, you can waste time getting to the next pull. Having the mob die at your feet saves you a little time.
Kiting might be one of the coolest things a hunter can do, but is it really a useful endgame skill anymore?
I have to admit that I don’t kite as much as BRK is telling us we should but nor do I Melee like those samples.
I have a pet and it tanks. if I out aggro my pet and the Mob comes in I have many a choices I can make with out kiting. Disengage or FD or Wing clip and then run out to range.
most mobs I fight now when soloing are dead within my first rotation.
I think keeping FD in front of mind when out aggroing is very important so that when your raiding and you out aggro your tank. you take the dive and save the party.
saving the healer by OT that mob is a different story.
Honestly, I feel that the lake in Storm Peaks at level 80 was a poor area example. The elementals there like to respawn rapidly, along with how crowded the area tends to be in high levels prime time for the Hot and Cold daily, it’s fairly difficult to safely kite there without running into another person fighting and possibly pulling your aggro onto them, or bumping into another elemental or three on you. Worse for a more squishy beastmaster or marksman hunter.
Now the player on the other hand, I’m not so sure. Perhaps their feign death, misdirect, intimidation, and taunt were all on cooldown? Most likely not, and that’s pretty sad. The survivalist build for farming or questing can weave your melee strikes along with your shots if done carefully. I’m just concerned that ALL melee tactics will become frowned upon in the future, as the most fun I’ve had playing a questing hunter is using all the tools to create effective balance of the melee and range dance to kill things quickly, and conserve ammo (though the latter will mean squat most likely in a couple months, unless ammo is given durability ala thrown weapons.)
(and of course raids/instances, melee is a no no.)
Nice videos. I was almost kiting from the start, except I didn’t know how to use pet correctly so I pulled aggro from them each time. Well in some months I made a perfection in playing hunter, I learned how to kite, how to proper use pet as BM, how to keep yourself away from danger in PvE and also in PvP.
Now I don’t use melee at all, my swords, daggers and polearms are all rusty, I only leveled up weapon skill to get achivment and to train weapons for PvP.
Last week I met one huntard who was meleeing mobs and casting volley on one mob and using cunning pet as combat pet for leveling and questing purposes. I almost fell from my chair of laughter. I told him that he do everything wrong… and his reply was linking both swords and bow and he said: Look I have mode DPS on my swords than on my bow, so I make more damage in melee. Well I almost died of laughter and of think someone can really be so stupid… I told him that hunter is RANGED DPS, but he didn’t listen to me. Well I just hope that he see this video and some more from BRK.
I also hope, that BRK is gonna make videos of how to correctly use pets. turning on growl and turning off cower is essential for keeping mobs in range and away from urself. Well BRK if u need help of making some pro pet using as BM hunter I can make u some videos
I often wondered how to apply this in areas where there was not a lot of room to move.
If you don’t have a lot of room to move side to side (as in tunnels), and you aren’t sure if it is safe behind you (or if you will end up out of LOS), you can always run through the mob and then jump and shoot. If you started at max range, then the space behind the mob should be safe to run to, and once you get a shot in you can run through and do it again in the other direction. I found this more effective than running backward anyway as it is faster. However, you do run the risk of getting stunned.
But what I am still wondering is, what do you do under water?
Just rerolling to a new server, and of course my first toon is a Hunter.
I’ve been kiting religiously even at level 3, and while it may take a tiny bit longer it’s way more fun – even with ISP lag.
In my view there are very few reasons to melee: to increase weapon skills (for PVP, the achievements, etc), the mob will die in one or two hits anyway, or you run out of ammo/your gun breaks. Though if you’re a higher level you fail on a different level with the last one..
@Erik – For underwater fights, you should have a pet already, so just let it tank. If you need to, just pull back on the special shots and it’ll keep aggro fine. If it’s a PVP fight… Get out of the water? ^.^;
/boggle
To boot, it was a night elf.
/sigh
The only reason I melee some mobs is to save money on ammo. But in Raids, dungeons, or anything not solo, You need to not melee! It’s a fact. Even when soloing it’s better to practice your ranged abilities.
As far as the video went, this one was seemingly less pointed towards teaching and more pointed towards warning people and showing that it actually exists.
…and yet the Nelf Huntard still got his Green Drake before me. There’s just no JUSTICE. >.<
I love these videos, I laughed and laughed at the two hunters where one was using the other as a tank!
/lmao
The jumpshot kiting in the movie reminded me of something I meant to ask back when you were posting about the logitech G13.
How well do jumpshots work on the G13?
The default configuration has jump on one of the thumb buttons. But your thumb is busy pushing the thumbstick forward, right? (Or are you autorunning, or two mouse button running, or remapped jump?)
Hey BRK
Since you have started your new gig none of your videos play on the iPhone. /fail.
@Erik
If you jump/spin as you “joust” through the mob to keep your back away from him, you won’t get stunned. (This is a crucial PvP skill against Rogues to keep them from stunlocking you — NEVER give a Rogue your back!)
@Manko
Kiting is always a useful skill. Being able to continue damaging a boss while repositioning or while he is moving is possible if you know how to kite effectively. For example, “Zombie Chow”, “Safety Dance”, “Grobbulus” come to mind immediately.
@saronette
“Squishy” BM Hunter? Srsly? For questing/leveling, there is no difference in a practical sense. If you are BM and quest with a Gorilla, you dont have to dodge all of those Revenants at the lake — you simply round up 4-6 of them and “gorilladin/T-Stomp” them to death with volley/multi. In my lvl 200 Naxx gear I still couldn’t pull aggro off of him, and I soloed every 70-80 elite quest in Northrend with a Gorilla. Ugly they may be, but Gorillas are the KING of leveling pets, and after 3.1 you can have the T-Stomp ability on all Tenacity pets so you don’t have to look at your pet scratching himself all the time.
Lol at the Melee at the end. As it was said before, It’s acceptable to melee a mob down if they’re about to die so that you can loot and move on to the next one faster, but the Nelf at the end had plenty of time to back up a few yards, he meleed the mob for 6-7 seconds, and the mob would’ve followed him anyway since he had aggro. /facepalm
The player at the end of the video may have just been meleeing to upgrade his weapon skills – there is an achievement for that you know.
Of course, one can always assume that he was a clueless huntard as well.
That level 80 huntard is an insult to all hunters out there meleeing and then haveing a proto-drake mount and he’s not even survial so there should be NO meleeing
Shame he was horde or i recon BRK would have talked to him (with around 10 japanese gangstas behind him) then quick trained him
i’m doing my part atm by training my GM (not the best player to put it nicely) wintersprings teaching chain trapping and kiteing (can’t realy do more as i need to show her in person)
One last thing half the bloodelf hunters are huntards (no offence to the none huntards who want to stop this steriotype)
Heck I recall doing Eye of the Storm on my Mage a while back, and a Lieutenant Commander Hunter rolls up (not you BRK your a super de duper hunter guy
I forget the guys name tbh). I expected a quick death, but I noticed that 1. his pet was just sitting there chillin’ out, and 2. he rushed up at me, insisting on melee fighting my Mage. I nearly fell out of my chair in laughter. Needless to say the huntard died. Many many times. Huntardism apparently reaches across all fields, I so hope that guy comes by this site and learns to kite or at least to NOT melee things (especially things that AoE up close)!
*edit thou I’m not a hunter, I <3 this site BRK and the movies just top the cake
And happy belated B Day!
Thinking about it again, I’m alittle concerned that whole end segment was concerning with regard to the anti-eletism stance BRK posted about a month ago. I mean, It’s incredably easy to just post a vidio of someone doing something seemingly moronic and go eeeyah! Look at the morons! Even remove the moron or the huntard from the commenting, and you still have shock and disappointment. It might as well be gawking.
I ain’t saying it’s happening right now, it’s just, if you’re going to fight the fight of huntardism, let’s not poke at spicific examples. It just seems no better than the stories I hear of people spec’d Beast Master a patch er 3 ago, getting ridiculed in pugs or kicked out of guilds for not specing to Survival.
Why not assume the folks in the newbie zone were brand new players? How bout that Nelf? Was he chatting with someone in guild/whisper (what, are we gonna get on him now for prolly not having a vent too?) Did he just end the evening shift and making daily rounds before going to sleep? Is he just trying to tune out for a couple hours from an overcomplicated life? I mean, I’ve had my moments where I’m running dailies, but my attention is fixed on something else like the evening news and pulling the maximum dps while farming wasn’t a priority.
(@heymikey; I aoegrinded from like 32-60 with a gorilladin over the course of about a week and a half. I have no interest in running with one ever again. I also min max more stamina than any toon ever should, so yeah, you guys are squishy =) kidding!)
Go to Eversong Woods and watch baby Blood Elf hunters. Have a bucket near you to puke in.
I bet most of these high level ‘tards forget that Cower is on.
I’m at the point where the most kiting I do is Disengage. If it’s particularly tough I may get 1 axe swing in before it’s dead. If I Disengage into or near another mob, I drop a trap & strafe so the 1st mob doesn’t hit it.
Hey BRK… I am a hunter that has a hard time remembering to put Hunter’s Mark up… is there a macro that you use? I use your pull macro… and that works awesome when I am with my pet…
Any help would be fantastic… keep up the awesome videos!
Awesome guide. Absolutely awesome. The examples were the icing on the cake. The combination of wit, outrage, and dedication to teaching is what keeps me visiting this site even after I’ve stopped playing WoW.
/applause
/rofl great job BRK you do the hunter community a huge deal of good combatting the perpetuation of the “huntard”
so i laughed alot at the end of this video…why? because its entirely too true.
I decided to help an old guild out and give them some pointers in naxx…they were having a tough time on thaddius. in particular, their BM hunter had decided that staying at the minimum ranged distance was too hard/too far to run and that his melee was “pretty good”
:O
/facepalm /fail /didhereallyjustsaythat /helpthisguyoutisurelydidtry
i think he got the idea after seeing the other DPS surpassing him greatly.
again thanks for all of your hardwork and for being such a wonderful resource for the hunter class. i direct anyone who asks advice to your videos!
BRK, I love your blog, but this post made me chuckle. The only real practical use for kiting is when you are in starter areas with neutral mobs (note to first time hunters: do NOT attempt this in STV) or when you are really bored and want to kite a world boss across 6 zones into a major city and make a video of it. Outside of that, its place is in PvP.
Do you really think Blizz designed the hunter class to know the “jump-shot” technique to be successful at level 6? I mean, really. So, I say, melee your hearts out for the 6 minutes it takes you to get to level 10. From there, you will eventually get a plethora of abilities (Pet, FD!, Conc Shot, Scatter Shot, Traps, Intimidate, Wing Clip, MD, Disengage) that will more than allow you to keep a mob at bay without agro’g half the zone.
And I would love for you to catch me on video playing my hunter. Becasue you know what I do depending on how long I’ve been playing? Send in pet, toss out an auto shot so I get credit for the kill and then work on crafting professions, loot/skin previous skills, maybe /train, toss in a load of laundry, or possibly even read your blog (alt-tab, rinse/repeat). Sometimes when a mob is on a hill or I simply don’t feel like running 25 yards, I put my pet on passive so that both my pet *and* the mob run towards me. Then you know what I do? I melee that sucka and /yell “Who wants some of this? Hooah!!”.
The only person I laughed at in this video was the level 6 hunter, “jump-shot” kiting mobs. Here is my response to that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtr_B_mzzbg
Enjoy, and happy hunting!
Great as usual and like many others I wish this had been out there back in the day when I was first leveling. I have to admit that there are still times when I melee. For example, doing the No Fly Zone daily for Ebon Blade. I don’t both with the offered mount, just fly out to a tower and take out the flyers there. Usually I have to get in a few melee hits before Bearilla gets agro and I have time to get to range. I would rather be in melee than to run/back too far and fall off the tower.
“Help us fight Huntardism!”
Even my staunchly anti-WoW wife was belly laughing at that one.
Thanks for the yuks to start my day BRK, I needed that.
Great Vid BRK, and its true I will help out to fight Huntardism, it’s a bad disease. But BRK, look at one of your one achievements “Weapon Mastery” (because most of us hunters do have it) gee what did we do to achieve that one, hmmm? Dual wield maybe? Come on BRK you’ll have to skill up at least one or two other weapons.
Yes I agree that our main weapon of choice is our range weapons (Gun or Bow), but there come a time or a situation where you’ll have to melee and you’ll are going to need your skill points high enough to do any damage, if not you’re going to get pawned. Most likely by a Druid or Rogue in stealth mode.
All I’m saying is that you just might have to build up those other weapon skills as needed but the majority of the time it should be range weapons for the win.
Cheers
Long time reader, first time poster…
Pat yourself on the back BRK, the humor at the end was a welcome change!
/nudgeBRK
“More Humor!”
Keep up the good work.
@ Michael;
#showtooltip Hunter’s Mark
/cast Hunter’s Mark
/petattack
is what I use for a macro, hope it helps.
I would like to think the hunter at the end was maybe raising his sword skill or something…. maybe… I hope.
BRK you are the greatest! I am reminded of an axiom in sports: it is all about the fundamentals! The only way to be a great player (of any game) is to first be sound in your fundamentals.
Thanks for providing a great resource. To add another sports cliche: it’s good for the game!
BRK, how did you raise your unarmed skill to 400? And while you were out there basically slapping mobs around, did someone “catch” you on fraps and label you as the perfect example of a huntard?
The term huntard comes mostly from the mismanagement of pets in instances (especially pre-BC) and then from inexperienced hunters having to CC trap a mob in TBC instances. You as well as everyone else traveled along that same learning curve.
But who exactly is arguing that a hunter is a melee class? Where is the battle here? By highlighting level 1-10 hunters in starting zones (named appropriately for a reason) and a level 80 who threw out a few couple melee hits out on a mob (obviosly with a sliver of health) are hardly good examples. Have you never just swung at a mob that was near death due to a.) just being lazy b.) wanting to level a weapon skill or c.) had to sneeze in RL (big wink) or change the TV channel?
Honestly, what people do on their own time while grinding is their own prerogative. Now if you consistently see hunters running up to melee elites in instances and raids, then you have something to work with here…your own real battle and film footage! But that is just not the case, now is it?
HI Brk! Didn’t u think about possibility that maybe this lvl 80 hunter is training his melee weapon skill???
I got new fist weapon and was doing the same while doing dailies, ranged dps>agrro on me> melee.
Great Series, BRK!
Gotta admit I actually initiate melee on that exact Storm Peaks pond when I switch to AOTV…because I am using two fast swords right now and the rapid melee gets me through viper in a jiffy. So a huntard with a reason sometimes.
Dear BRK,
How did you level your axe/sword/dagger/polearm/staff skills without meleeing?
Sincerely,
Undying Twilight Vanquisher Lanludar of the Nightfall
Like… I used to think of hunters as some sort of gimped warrior with pet
and then i saw this =p
and then i rolled one, and so far (4levels lol) its loads of fun, much more fun then trying to mele for four levels =p
ya well, thanks
Just like to say thanks for making this series, I’m really looking forward to future installments. I rolled an Orc Hunter after seeing the first three parts (after listening to the recent WoW Insider show) and will be levelling him as the series continues. Hunters are one of the most popular classes and yet I have rarely seen them kiting, something I am learning for the first time. Still not happy with my jump shots though. I hope that future installments will give guidance on Talent trees and pet management as I am now at level 10 which means any silly mistakes will cost me gold, the new character is my first on that server.